=Icygriffin= Great White Mako Shredder

[Cloister]

I say the 500 per fish is too much...

1950 ATK is WAY too much for this effect..

I mean...just 2 fish from the Deck gets rid of anything with 2900 or less with this guy...

 

Just plain overpowered to me...

 

I agree with him

[usetheforcehan]

No your version is overpowered. As mine only states that cards whos attacks are reduced to 0' date=' [b']cards who's attack is already 0 arent affected.[/b]

 

Ops. My bad! :mrgreen:

 

2nd OCG's Fix:

 

Great White Mako Shredder

When this card is Summoned, you can send any number of Fish-Type monsters from your Deck to the Graveyard and decrease the ATK of all monsters your opponents controls by 500 for every Fish-Type monsters that is sent this way. As long as this card remains on the field, destroy a monster if its ATK is decrease to 0.

 

@Icy: Btw, what is mako? Is that a Japanese word?

[-Griffin]

I say the 500 per fish is too much...

1950 ATK is WAY too much for this effect..

I mean...just 2 fish from the Deck gets rid of anything with 2900 or less with this guy...

Just plain overpowered to me...

The most effective Deck that this would fit into is Coelcanth' date=' and sending more than a few cards with this guy's effect could ruin a Coel build, so it actually has a much larger long-term cost than is immediately apparent. Actually pretty balanced considering current Decktypes IMO.

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Maybe a reduction of up to 150 could be justified, but I don't think it's needed.

[MarbleZone]

OCG: When this card is Summoned, you can send any number of Fish-Type Monsters from your Deck to the Graveyard to have all face-up monsters your opponent controls lose ATK equal to the number of monsters sent x 500. Any time a monster's ATK would be reduced to 0, send it to the Graveyard instead.

 

"While face-up on the field" no longer applies by the most recent OCG - unless specified, effects are applied while you control that face-up card. Check Dimension Fortress Weapon for confirmation.

 

Effect wise, in my opinion, it's overpowered. 1950 ATK is borderline for Lv4 (strongest vanilla atm standing at 2000, as you know), but the issue here lies in selected Deck thinning for free: you choose which monsters you send to the Graveyard, and as I'm sure you know, the grave is a resource more than anything. You're getting a beneficial result (free nuking by a thought-out combination of effects) for a cost that is actually an advantage in of itself.

 

All in all, this card is the following:

 

Lv4 1950 ATK body + selective milling + opponent only field nuke... absolutely free.

 

It is not compatible with the current most prevalent Fish Deck, Coelacanth, but the way I see it, it is designed to be ran in a completely different build. If let the way it is, it could be the core of its own deck.

 

Obviously, this is my opinion, without playtesting, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Sander]

You guise, this card isn't overpowered. As Griffin said, the only useful Fish Deck is a Deck based on Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth, which requires you to keep your Fish-Type monsters in your Deck.

 

 

"While face-up on the field" no longer applies by the most recent OCG - unless specified' date=' effects are applied while you control that face-up card. [/Quote']

 

Way to read. Icy said he doesn't care that much about OCG, which is the same that all of you uptight OCG lovers should do.

[Yankee]

oh..forgot to rate:

Seriously not one of your better cards Ice man.

 

4/10 (being nice)

[Guest JoshIcy]

@Icy: Btw' date=' what is mako? Is that a Japanese word?

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No. Homage to the Hawaiian Shark.

[Yankee]

You guise' date=' this card isn't overpowered. As Griffin said, the only useful Fish Deck is a Deck based on Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth, which requires you to keep your Fish-Type monsters in your [i']Deck[/i].

 

Your an idiot..

This is a Level 4 one side only field nuke. This basically kills any monster out ther, AND there are lots of decks that would love fish in the Graveyard..so that can, oh, Idk..SPECIAL SUMMON THEM >_>

[Cloister]

you can have Spell and Traps AND monsters that makes a deck with this card almost unbeatable, since it is really really strong on its own

[Zeaux]

Seems pretty OP to me.

 

First, it is a Level 4 beat stick monster and its effect is activated when he is Summoned (Any type of summon). Then you can thin your Deck by sending any number of Fish monsters to the Graveyard AND your opponent's monsters loses ATK with it. So, lets say you send 4 = - 2000 ATK for all monsters your opponent controls.

[usetheforcehan]

Maybe a reduction of up to 150 could be justified' date=' but I don't think it's needed.

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There is no need for reduction. Just make this card hard to Summon on the field. So even though this card effect is OP'd, but a hard Summon conditions can balance it.

[Guest JoshIcy]

You guise' date=' this card isn't overpowered. As Griffin said, the only useful Fish Deck is a Deck based on Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth, which requires you to keep your Fish-Type monsters in your [i']Deck[/i].

 

Your an idiot..

This is a Level 4 one side only field nuke. This basically kills any monster out ther, AND there are lots of decks that would love fish in the Graveyard..so that can, oh, Idk..SPECIAL SUMMON THEM >_>

 

Zombie Fishies!

 

Also: This is what I call an ideal thread. The ideas between balanced and overpowered are split among everyone new, old and Greater CardMakers/raters. Shows that this card has something going for it =3.

[Yankee]

You guise' date=' this card isn't overpowered. As Griffin said, the only useful Fish Deck is a Deck based on Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth, which requires you to keep your Fish-Type monsters in your [i']Deck[/i].

 

Your an idiot..

This is a Level 4 one side only field nuke. This basically kills any monster out ther, AND there are lots of decks that would love fish in the Graveyard..so that can, oh, Idk..SPECIAL SUMMON THEM >_>

 

Zombie Fishies!

 

Also: This is what I call an ideal thread. The ideas between balanced and overpowered are split among everyone new, old and Greater CardMakers/raters. Shows that this card has something going for it =3.

 

Not really. I see like..2 people saying it's not overpowered..and everybody else saying this is horribly overpowered...

[MarbleZone]

"While face-up on the field" no longer applies by the most recent OCG - unless specified' date=' effects are applied while you control that face-up card. [/Quote']

 

Way to read. Icy said he doesn't care that much about OCG, which is the same that all of you uptight OCG lovers should do.

 

When posting a card, the creator is subjected to any kind of reviews. As I stated before, in other threads, I will ignore any requests of overlooking something you don't want to see criticized. You post a card, I rate it as a whole.

 

Naturally I wouldn't point it out to a less experienced card maker, but I feel Icyblue deserves a more thorough evaluation of his cards given his experience. If you don't want to read a specific part of my review, skip it.

 

Not being compatible with an existing deck type does not make a card over or underpowered per se. Coelacanth itself is powerful and most Fish cards before it were terrible - that didn't stop it.

[Guest JoshIcy]

It still something. Considering Xander and Griffin both know cards excessively well (actual TCGers and great in their own right such as yourself Yankee).

And I'm thinking of a way to balance it lol. I'll post up the YVD version when thats done.

[-Griffin]

The only Fish that particularly likes the Graveyard is Fishborg Blaster iirc, which I refer to as a powerful but valid combo. I suppose this could be a danger with PoA, but it's otherwise balanced because it works against the purpose of the Deck it is most likely to run in.

[Guest Zeonark]

It still something. Considering Xander and Griffin both know cards excessively well.

And I'm thinking of a way to balance it lol. I'll post up the YVD version when thats done.

 

I have a suggestion to balance it.

 

Maybe apply it's effect when it's Special Summoned? And drop it to 300-400 for the reduction?

[Yankee]

It still something. Considering Xander and Griffin both know cards excessively well (actual TCGers and great in their own right such as yourself Yankee).

And I'm thinking of a way to balance it lol. I'll post up the YVD version when thats done.

 

Drop it's ATK?

Maybe lower the ATK of monsters you control by a slightly lower amount as well?

Make it harder to summon?

 

All work.

[Neo-Daedalus]

Its a Level 4 WATER monster with 1950 ATK, I want this card in my deck :)

 

10 out of 10.

[.Requiem]

Not really. I see like..2 people saying it's not overpowered..and everybody else saying this is horribly overpowered...

 

It isn't horribly overpowered, just need need to change a few things. Maybe just something with how it does the damage.

[Guest JoshIcy]

It still something. Considering Xander and Griffin both know cards excessively well (actual TCGers and great in their own right such as yourself Yankee).

And I'm thinking of a way to balance it lol. I'll post up the YVD version when thats done.

 

Drop it's ATK?

Maybe lower the ATK of monsters you control by a slightly lower amount as well?

Make it harder to summon?

 

All work.

 

You know me. Im gonna try and keep it on the opinion thats its balanced and overpowered, to reach something else while maintaining the core idea.

[-Griffin]

I could see it at 1800/1900 ATK, or the reduction changing to 300/400. There are few cards that would SS it in such a way that it could trigger the effect, but limiting it to Normal Summons might be a minor point worth doing.

 

The overall concept is balanced and I'd refer to the card as powerful rather than broken in its current form. It's something that could bring its Deck to a higher tier, but not that's excessively overpowered to the point much gameplay would revolve around it.

[Yankee]

Not really. I see like..2 people saying it's not overpowered..and everybody else saying this is horribly overpowered...

 

It isn't horribly overpowered' date=' just need need to change a few things. Maybe just something with how it does the damage.

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No, it's horribly overpowered..for now.

How is this NOT horribly overpowered?

You have a one sided field nuke that is LV 4, meaning you can play it any time

has 1950 attack, putting higher than almost all level 4 monsters, and high enough that it's effect won't take too much to work...

AND it's effect works any time it's summoned..

[-Griffin]

Not really. I see like..2 people saying it's not overpowered..and everybody else saying this is horribly overpowered...

 

It isn't horribly overpowered' date=' just need need to change a few things. Maybe just something with how it does the damage.

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No, it's horribly overpowered..for now.

How is this NOT horribly overpowered?

You have a one sided field nuke that entirely works against the main point of your Deck and can hugely harm your win condition that is LV 4, meaning you can play it any time

has 1950 attack, putting higher than almost all level 4 monsters, and high enough that it's effect won't take too much to work...

AND it's effect works any time it's summoned..

 

And thus it is more balanced. Like I said, maybe twiddling some numbers by 100/200, or capping how many you can send/restricting it to Normal Summon, but the concept is balanced IMO.

[Neo-Daedalus]

I think its fine the way it is. :)