Card of Safe Return

[Jonnyfive]

Everliving underworld cannon "once during each player's turn, when a zombie-type monster is special summoned to your side of the field, inflict 800 points of damage to your opponent."

If it were not for the "once during each player's turn" this card would be banned...

I personally believe that Card of Safe Return should be re-released with the same "Once during each player's turn" effect and then put at 1."

Discuss why you agree or disagree, and feel free to add any input on the subject.

Also discuss other cards that you share these sentiments on.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

If it were once per turn, it would be nigh-useless and wouldn't be used anyways. It was so good because it worked an infinite number of times, depending on your grave.

[Toffee.]

If it were once per turn' date=' it would be nigh-useless and wouldn't be used anyways. It was so good [i']because[/i] it worked an infinite number of times, depending on your grave.

Plus, ever since Duelist Genes, Safe Return could be the the entire draw engine.

 

And in the world of Konami, Draw engines (that are @3) need to cost at least 20$ a copy

[Cavv10]

Once per turn would kill CoSR...

Everliving Underworld Cannon sucks...

[darkwolf777]

I would not look down upon once per turn myself. To draw an extra card for an action I perform quite a bit in a duel is still pretty good to me and I'd use it in a bunch of my decks.

 

You say it'd kill it, i'd say its still very usable.

[byak]

It's still an instant +1 if you have some sort of revival plan.

[Toffee.]

I would not look down upon once per turn myself. To draw an extra card for an action I perform quite a bit in a duel is still pretty good to me and I'd use it in a bunch of my decks.

 

True, but it still wont be as effeciant as the origional.

[Cavv10]

You play it, -1 (-1)

You summon stuff +1 (+0).

 

Not a +1.

[darkwolf777]

Of course its not as efficient, that's a given x.o Its still not unusable if it did say that. *Edit: meant to say "not unusable"... or usable, double negatives~

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

You play it' date=' -1 (-1)

You summon stuff +1 (+0).

 

Not a +1.

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It's a +0 to play, just like summoning a monster. It's -1 to hand, +1 to field, or a +0

[Cavv10]

I know. It was my response to Byak.

[Jonnyfive]

If it were once per turn' date=' it would be nigh-useless and wouldn't be used anyways. It was so good [i']because[/i] it worked an infinite number of times, depending on your grave.

 

and everliving is useless as well...even at 3. which is why i used it as an example.

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I would not look down upon once per turn myself. To draw an extra card for an action I perform quite a bit in a duel is still pretty good to me and I'd use it in a bunch of my decks.

 

True' date=' but it still wont be as effeciant as the origional.

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the original is banned BECAUSE its so efficient. lol

[Cavv10]

But even without the once-per-turn clause Everliving Underworld Cannon would suck.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

I know. It was my response to Byak.

 

Then why say it if it isn't true? You confuse me good sir.

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But even without the once-per-turn clause Everliving Underworld Cannon would suck.

 

This. Your OP implies that EUC is good in the first place since you said

 

If it were not for the "once during each player's turn" this card would be banned...

[Cavv10]

Yeah, srry I kinda worded it in a wrong way.

 

But aren't all Continues Spells -1 if you play them?

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

No, it's the same concept as a monster, a +0. You are thinking purely in hand advantage.

[Canadian]

If it were once per turn' date=' it would be nigh-useless and wouldn't be used anyways. It was so good [i']because[/i] it worked an infinite number of times, depending on your grave.

 

I actually don't agree.

The 1 card per turn would be really good. +0 on its first turn (assuming your doing it right), turns into a +1 on your next and so on.

 

I liked watching this thing go from 3 to 2 to 1 now 0. It made me realize how once the meta got better, so did this. The thing is, some decks (plants, zombies, LS; I think they are the most abusive of this card) put this card at 0 with their SSing from the grave like 5 times per turn.

 

I wish it wasn't at 0.

[Coffee Black]

This must have been annoying with Disk Commander.

[Jonnyfive]

But even without the once-per-turn clause Everliving Underworld Cannon would suck.

 

bs, you could otk someone without attacking if it weren't, especially with multiples. i run a zombie deck that has no trouble s s 5 to 10 times in a turn.

[burnpsy]

But even without the once-per-turn clause Everliving Underworld Cannon would suck.

 

bs' date=' you could otk someone without attacking if it weren't, especially with multiples. i run a zombie deck that has no trouble s s 5 to 10 times in a turn.

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Except that there are better combos like that. You're thinking like some noob who thinks winning without attacking is some "new" and "overpowered" concept.

[Jonnyfive]

But even without the once-per-turn clause Everliving Underworld Cannon would suck.

 

bs' date=' you could otk someone without attacking if it weren't, especially with multiples. i run a zombie deck that has no trouble s s 5 to 10 times in a turn.

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Except that there are better combos like that. You're thinking like some noob who thinks winning without attacking is some "new" and "overpowered" concept.

not at all. i was just explaining that the possibility of this card being abused like CoSR would be very high if the effect were to be changed. that was just an example of how easy it would be to abuse it..because the fact is, when you special 5 times in one turn you already have otk potential, but with a card like that you have a little insurance if you get torrented or L Vd.

I was just simply stating a reason why the card would not suck in that case..and it is a valid reason.

so back off foo! j/k

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

it was too flexible. especially with the tuningware otk variant and mass zombie swarm ones....that kind of mass draw power was just too much.... once per turn wouldnt be good.... should be left as is and left banned as it currently is.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Yeah' date=' srry I kinda worded it in a wrong way.

 

But aren't all Continues Spells -1 if you play them?

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They are treated as -1s if you can't generate advantage with them.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

like Field Barrier *gets shot*