Gorz is the biggest troll around

[Azuh]

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I mean like, he summons himself and doesn't afraid of anything

 

Discuss his placement on the list and the use of him in the current meta[/align]

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

works fine at 1.

3 i reckon would be cloggy and unneccessary.

having said that, i still dont want my opp to drop a 2700 beatstick + more on me for just attacking.

[Toffee.]

The token is usually weaker then Gorz, but the Token can be Honest'D

 

lolmindgames

[arkel]

It rewards bad play with 2 easy Beatsticks. If that isn't banworthy then what is? The current format improved with his existence. A better format would still have him banned. Rewards bad plays. Punishes good ones. Bannable.

[El-Rrey]

Epic art is epic...

 

the Token can be Honest'D

 

lolmindgames

It rewards bad play with 2 easy Beatsticks. If that isn't banworthy then what is? The current format improved with his existence. A better format would still have him banned. Rewards bad plays. Punishes good ones. Bannable.

 

He is fine as he is!

[Manjoume Thunder]

It rewards bad play with 2 easy Beatsticks. If that isn't banworthy then what is? The current format improved with his existence. A better format would still have him banned. Rewards bad plays. Punishes good ones. Bannable.

 

Bad players ram into a Gorz. Good player play around him. If anything, Gorz makes the game more interesting.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

It rewards bad play with 2 easy Beatsticks. If that isn't banworthy then what is? The current format improved with his existence. A better format would still have him banned. Rewards bad plays. Punishes good ones. Bannable.

 

Good play = JD Nuke?

[El-Rrey]

It rewards bad play with 2 easy Beatsticks. If that isn't banworthy then what is? The current format improved with his existence. A better format would still have him banned. Rewards bad plays. Punishes good ones. Bannable.

 

Good play = JD Nuke?

 

I think so xD.

He is quite afraid of him and random Fissure or Smashing!!

[El Majishan]

lolplay my friend did.

 

He knew the guy had gorz and he was 100lp short of the otk.

Typically you would drop on the strongest atk so my friend just attacked with all monsters expect the one that would have left the guy with 100lp left.

 

Guy: You gonna attack with Though Ruler?

Friend: Nope

Guy: -_-.....

 

My friend just killed him next turn.

 

OT: lolmindgames, Gives you 2 beat sticks just for leaving your field clear. The good thing is stops OTK, get rid of otk's and then we can ban Gorz IMO

[arkel]

Bad players ram into a Gorz. Good player play around him. If anything' date=' Gorz makes the game more interesting.

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In the current format, it's true you can easily play around a Gorz. In a "perfect" format, however, playing around him is not so easy.

 

Good play = JD Nuke?

 

Again, Gorz punishes good plays if the banlist were halfway decent.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Bad players ram into a Gorz. Good player play around him. If anything' date=' Gorz makes the game more interesting.

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In the current format, it's true you can easily play around a Gorz. In a "perfect" format, however, playing around him is not so easy.

 

Good play = JD Nuke?

 

Again' date=' Gorz punishes good plays if the banlist were halfway decent.

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This is a perfect format. The one that you want is terrible.

[Mehmani]

Meh, it all depends on opinion. If it is at any more than one then it's broken.

[Wizarus]

I used to think Gorz was broken, but now I like where it is. It's almost like Heavy Storm; broken, but needed at one to promote skill, and to keep the game from becoming too linear. And as stated before, good players do play around him.

[arkel]

This is a perfect format. The one that you want is terrible.

 

Myself, Crab, and Pika tend to disagree.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Gorz used to be good, but isn't fast enough/doesn't have enough protection to save your life anymore.

[Umbra]

It rewards bad play with 2 easy Beatsticks. If that isn't banworthy then what is? The current format improved with his existence. A better format would still have him banned. Rewards bad plays. Punishes good ones. Bannable.

 

Setting up the field so that you can use the best card in your hand is a bad play these days? Yes' date=' leaving the field empty would be a bad play in any situation where you [b']don't have Gorz[/b].

[werewolfjedi]

This is a perfect format. The one that you want is terrible.

 

Myself' date=' Crab, and Pika tend to disagree.

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I'm still on the fence myself.

[Manjoume Thunder]

This is a perfect format. The one that you want is terrible.

 

Myself' date=' Crab, and Pika tend to disagree.

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Lol. So what?

 

On your "perfect" lists there are ONLY 3 viable decks. Plants, Monarchs and Gadgets. Everything else is tiers below them. And we all know how skillful a gadget mirror is.

 

:)

[arkel]

On your "perfect" lists there are ONLY 3 viable decks. Plants' date=' Monarchs and Gadgets. Everything else is tiers below them. And we all know how skillful a gadget mirror is.

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That's not our fault. Konami needs to learn to make balanced cards for once.

 

Setting up the field so that you can use the best card in your hand is a bad play these days? Yes' date=' leaving the field empty would be a bad play in any situation where you [b']don't have Gorz[/b].

 

A format where a play like that is viable is bad for the game. Being able to sit back, relax, and still win is stupid.

[werewolfjedi]

On your "perfect" lists there are ONLY 3 viable decks. Plants' date=' Monarchs and Gadgets. Everything else is tiers below them. And we all know how skillful a gadget mirror is.

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That's not our fault. Konami needs to learn to make balanced cards for once.

 

Setting up the field so that you can use the best card in your hand is a bad play these days? Yes' date=' leaving the field empty would be a bad play in any situation where you [b']don't have Gorz[/b].

 

A format where a play like that is viable is bad for the game. Being able to sit back, relax, and still win is stupid.

 

please, anyone who can't see a gorz bluff is not good at this game.

[-Griffin]

I'm on Manjoume's side here - the current format is great, and most people's "perfect formats" take a lot out of the game and aren't really good at all.

 

Also pro-Gorz. It's a good card, discourages "lolOTK", can be played around, ect.

[Umbra]

Setting up the field so that you can use the best card in your hand is a bad play these days? Yes' date=' leaving the field empty would be a bad play in any situation where you [b']don't have Gorz[/b].

 

A format where a play like that is viable is bad for the game. Being able to sit back, relax, and still win is stupid.

 

Making the choice to leave your field open is "sitting back and relax"? You're basically betting the first few turns - and thus, the outcome of the game - on your beatstick. It provides immediate advantage in exchange for a relatively unprotected field. It is not to "sit back and relax".

[Dr. Cakey]

Setting up the field so that you can use the best card in your hand is a bad play these days? Yes' date=' leaving the field empty would be a bad play in any situation where you [b']don't have Gorz[/b].

 

A format where a play like that is viable is bad for the game. Being able to sit back, relax, and still win is stupid.

 

Making the choice to leave your field open is "sitting back and relax"? You're basically betting the first few turns - and thus, the outcome of the game - on your beatstick. It provides immediate advantage in exchange for a relatively unprotected field. It is not to "sit back and relax".

 

Player 1: I summon Summoner Monk, discard Mind Control, and Special Summon Flamvell Magician. Then I Synchro Summon Stardust Dragon.

Player 2: I end.

Player 1: (What could he POSSIBLY be planning????)

 

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[Tronta]

Setting up the field so that you can use the best card in your hand is a bad play these days? Yes' date=' leaving the field empty would be a bad play in any situation where you [b']don't have Gorz[/b].

 

A format where a play like that is viable is bad for the game. Being able to sit back, relax, and still win is stupid.

 

Making the choice to leave your field open is "sitting back and relax"? You're basically betting the first few turns - and thus, the outcome of the game - on your beatstick. It provides immediate advantage in exchange for a relatively unprotected field. It is not to "sit back and relax".

 

Player 1: I summon Summoner Monk, discard Mind Control, and Special Summon Flamvell Magician. Then I Synchro Summon Stardust Dragon.

Player 2: I end.

Player 1: (What could he POSSIBLY be planning????)

 

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does it bother no one else that you can do that? first turn -1 stardust? seriously, wtf. THIS is whats bad in this format and every other. funk synchros.

 

 

also, gorz is good because he cockblocks lolotks. the problem with the game isnt cards like gorz who promote comebacks, but cards like jd who promote slamming your head into the table

 

in a perfect format, he wouldnt promote such comebacks because jd wouldnt exist and it would thus be more difficult to straight up nuke your opponents field. in a perfect format he would likely cockblock a full on vortex+heavy+dickinyourmouth beatstick otk, which still wouldnt be a huge problem because he would just be blocking extreme overextension. and then theres the gorz bluff of just not doing anything. pretty obvious. promotes mind games which are good for any game.

he really isnt bad for the game at 1.

 

moving on,

@title:

would like to speak with you.

[CrabHelmet]

Good players run 3 Shien's Spy to deny their opponent a Gorz play.