J-Max Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Been messing around with some of the Arcana Force monsters on WC10. These cards can easily make or break a Duel with a 50/50 chance of getting a Killer effect. I love abusing the Hell out of Arcana monsters with Secind Coin Toss :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 They're the best deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 You know that if a coin is tossed by a human, the chances of the side facing upwards before you toss it is actually 50.49/49.51. P (Side facing upwards when placed on thumb before toss) = 50.49P (Other side) = 49.51 So if you are playing an Arcana Force deck, always put the coin on your thumb HEADS facing upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowayix Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Unless you're summoning Arcana Force 0 - The Fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Unless you're summoning Arcana Force 0 - The Fool. One SETS The Fool. Anyways, there's a few things that can manipulate their rolls, such as Light Barrier (or whatever that field spell was called). Splendid Venus + Light Barrier The BKSS ruling on Arcana Call with Light Barrier is stupid, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 These cards can easily make or break a Duel with a 50/50 chance of getting a Killer effect. Killer effect? What? The 'good' effects of these cards are substandard at best. The Magician and The Emperor are just generic attack increase beatstick effects. I is very easy to play around, and IV tops off at 1900, making it worse then Gene Warped Warwolf as a standalone card and worse then Solidarity at Attack Increases. The Lovers is Gellenduo, except it has a 50/50 chance of being terrible, and 100 less attack. The Emperess is Ultimate Offering, except she fails at that too with only a 50/50 shot of activating, and only able to summon once. Temperance is trash. Moon is trash. The World is meh at best. The Chariot is armed with a Goyo Gaurdian effect which is alright, but it's 1700 attack won't do much and it's negative effect is really, really awful. The Fool's just Marshmallow, except it's attack and defense can't be changed and no one would ever want to summon it in attack mode. So... out of the whole set only two cards arguably have a 'killer' effect out of the whole set, and the negative effects greatly outweigh the positives. tl;dr: Lol Arcana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 These cards can easily make or break a Duel with a 50/50 chance of getting a Killer effect. Killer effect? What? The 'good' effects of these cards are substandard at best. The Magician and The Emperor are just generic attack increase beatstick effects. I is very easy to play around' date=' and IV tops off at 1900, making it worse then Gene Warped Warwolf as a standalone card and worse then Solidarity at Attack Increases. The Lovers is Gellenduo, except it has a 50/50 chance of being terrible, and 100 less attack. The Emperess is Ultimate Offering, except she fails at that too with only a 50/50 shot of activating, and only able to summon once. Temperance is trash. Moon is trash. The World is meh at best. The Chariot is armed with a Goyo Gaurdian effect which is alright, but it's 1700 attack won't do much and it's negative effect is really, really awful. The Fool's just Marshmallow, except it's attack and defense can't be changed and no one would ever want to summon it in attack mode. So... out of the whole set only two cards arguably have a 'killer' effect out of the whole set, and the negative effects greatly outweigh the positives. tl;dr: Lol Arcana[/quote'] Solidarity with Chariot comes to mind.And the deck can run Kristya and Valhalla, which isn't too bad.Plus the draw engine with By Order of the Emperor.They're still not good, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Solidarity with Chariot comes to mind. I gave Chariot it's due in my post, did I not? However, Goyo does the same things with asimiliar 2 card commitment and more splashability and less chance of knocking itself out when you die. And the deck can run Kristya and Valhalla, which isn't too bad. It can also run Honest, but now we're just splitting hairs. You're counting generic Fairy support as a plus for this, but when you're better off running Vanilla fairies here it's pretty horrible. (Though... not many high attack Vanilla fairies.) Plus the draw engine with By Order of the Emperor. The opening post specifically referred to 'a 50/50 chance of getting a Killer effect', hence why my post is in reference to that, not Arcana Force in general. Yes, I'm aware that strat exist, however that's not relevant to this discussion. Also, gadgets do it better. To conclude, the lower level Arcana's 'bad' effects are pretty damn game changing, as in if they go off you pretty much lose. Sure, you can possibly figure out a halfway decent strat, but as I've said constantly: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Their 'good' effects hardly justify the auto game-loss nature of losing the coin toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Arcanas are pretty much just one of my joke decks which I put generic light support in when I have no where else to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Dark Ruler and World are really the only ones remotely worth building a Deck around. The rest are either outclassed or just bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 their heads effects blow, their tails effects are suicidal. arcana force's primary problem is that they don't give two shits about each other. only a couple of them have effects that help each other at all, and theyre useless. attack pumping by 500? summoning on your opponents turn from the hand and their discretion? thats garbage.let's compare to lightsworn support:-lumina is a zombie master. revive one friend for almost free. you can also essentially double summon one friend by pitching the guy you want to revive.-wulf doesnt help others, but he gets helped. randomly the others will just summon him!-celestia becomes a better monarch when you tribute one of her friends!-garoth may mill more, but when he plays with his friends you get the opportunity to draw more by milling over more of his friends!-aurkus lord of d's his friends, protecting them from all harm!-judgment dragon can only be summoned when you have enough of his friends in the grave, and they get to the grave by the help of his friends. really you meet his summoning conditions without even trying because everyone is so helpful! seriously. wtf. look at funking machina!they have a sangan that searches a stratos that searches a boss monster! wtf! and arcana?their boss monsters dont even mention them in the effect text. they just pump each other's attack, or summon one more guy from your hand. funk that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Gengar Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 their heads effects blow' date=' their tails effects are suicidal. arcana force's primary problem is that they don't give two shits about each other. only a couple of them have effects that help each other at all, and theyre useless. attack pumping by 500? summoning on your opponents turn from the hand and their discretion? thats garbage.let's compare to lightsworn support:-lumina is a zombie master. revive one friend for almost free. you can also essentially double summon one friend by pitching the guy you want to revive.-wulf doesnt help others, but he gets helped. randomly the others will just summon him!-celestia becomes a better monarch when you tribute one of her friends!-garoth may mill more, but when he plays with his friends you get the opportunity to draw more by milling over more of his friends!-aurkus lord of d's his friends, protecting them from all harm!-judgment dragon can only be summoned when you have enough of his friends in the grave, and they get to the grave by the help of his friends. really you meet his summoning conditions without even trying because everyone is so helpful! seriously. wtf. look at f***ing machina!they have a sangan that searches a stratos that searches a boss monster! wtf! and arcana?their boss monsters dont even mention them in the effect text. they just pump each other's attack, or summon one more guy from your hand. f*** that.[/quote'] Arcanas are bad because they aren't friends! The power of friendship makes the others stronger! [/foefic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentleyeugene92 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 their heads effects blow' date=' their tails effects are suicidal. arcana force's primary problem is that they don't give two shits about each other. only a couple of them have effects that help each other at all, and theyre useless. attack pumping by 500? summoning on your opponents turn from the hand and their discretion? thats garbage.let's compare to lightsworn support:-lumina is a zombie master. revive one friend for almost free. you can also essentially double summon one friend by pitching the guy you want to revive.-wulf doesnt help others, but he gets helped. randomly the others will just summon him!-celestia becomes a better monarch when you tribute one of her friends!-garoth may mill more, but when he plays with his friends you get the opportunity to draw more by milling over more of his friends!-aurkus lord of d's his friends, protecting them from all harm!-judgment dragon can only be summoned when you have enough of his friends in the grave, and they get to the grave by the help of his friends. really you meet his summoning conditions without even trying because everyone is so helpful! seriously. wtf. look at f***ing machina!they have a sangan that searches a stratos that searches a boss monster! wtf! and arcana?their boss monsters dont even mention them in the effect text. they just pump each other's attack, or summon one more guy from your hand. f*** that.[/quote'] Arcanas are bad because they aren't friends! The power of friendship makes the others stronger! [/foefic] +REP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 their heads effects blow' date=' their tails effects are suicidal. arcana force's primary problem is that they don't give two shits about each other. only a couple of them have effects that help each other at all, and theyre useless. attack pumping by 500? summoning on your opponents turn from the hand and their discretion? thats garbage.let's compare to lightsworn support:-lumina is a zombie master. revive one friend for almost free. you can also essentially double summon one friend by pitching the guy you want to revive.-wulf doesnt help others, but he gets helped. randomly the others will just summon him!-celestia becomes a better monarch when you tribute one of her friends!-garoth may mill more, but when he plays with his friends you get the opportunity to draw more by milling over more of his friends!-aurkus lord of d's his friends, protecting them from all harm!-judgment dragon can only be summoned when you have enough of his friends in the grave, and they get to the grave by the help of his friends. really you meet his summoning conditions without even trying because everyone is so helpful! seriously. wtf. look at f***ing machina!they have a sangan that searches a stratos that searches a boss monster! wtf! and arcana?their boss monsters dont even mention them in the effect text. they just pump each other's attack, or summon one more guy from your hand. f*** that.[/quote'] Arcanas are bad because they aren't friends! The power of friendship makes the others stronger! [/foefic] You are automatically divine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze Pyro Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 You know that if a coin is tossed by a human' date=' the chances of the side facing upwards before you toss it is actually 50.49/49.51. P (Side facing upwards when placed on thumb before toss) = 50.49P (Other side) = 49.51 So if you are playing an Arcana Force deck, always put the coin on your thumb HEADS facing upwards.[/quote'] Is that if you let the coin land on the ground or if you flip it over onto the back of your hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Is it just me or are all the Archetypes introduced by gay villains simply FAIL irl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Is it just me or are all the Archetypes introduced by gay villains simply FAIL irl? Apparently they do. Also, what about the protagonists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Is it just me or are all the Archetypes introduced by gay villains simply FAIL irl? Apparently they do. Also' date=' what about the protagonists?[/quote'] Yusei's decks include some of the best cards, and have useful combos, if he just neg'd all the horrible and/or filler cards and focuses on the real potential of his deck, he would be able to insta-win against most of the theme-slave villains. I mean, the anti-hero Kiryu has "the" meta deck set, but he just needs to learn its potential and stop playing lol situational cards (who would run burn in an infernity deck anyways)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Is it just me or are all the Archetypes introduced by gay villains simply FAIL irl? Apparently they do. Also' date=' what about the protagonists?[/quote'] Yusei's decks include some of the best cards, and have useful combos, if he just neg'd all the horrible and/or filler cards and focuses on the real potential of his deck, he would be able to insta-win against most of the theme-slave villains. I mean, the anti-hero Kiryu has "the" meta deck set, but he just needs to learn its potential and stop playing lol situational cards (who would run burn in an infernity deck anyways)? Oh yeah. Good point but all those liolsituational cards are more viable in the anime when outcomes of duels are predetermined. And no, I would not run Infernity Burn no matter how funny it would be to run if it actually worked which I wouldn't think it would anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 their heads effects blow' date=' their tails effects are suicidal. arcana force's primary problem is that they don't give two shits about each other. only a couple of them have effects that help each other at all, and theyre useless. attack pumping by 500? summoning on your opponents turn from the hand and their discretion? thats garbage.let's compare to lightsworn support:-lumina is a zombie master. revive one friend for almost free. you can also essentially double summon one friend by pitching the guy you want to revive.-wulf doesnt help others, but he gets helped. randomly the others will just summon him!-celestia becomes a better monarch when you tribute one of her friends!-garoth may mill more, but when he plays with his friends you get the opportunity to draw more by milling over more of his friends!-aurkus lord of d's his friends, protecting them from all harm!-judgment dragon can only be summoned when you have enough of his friends in the grave, and they get to the grave by the help of his friends. really you meet his summoning conditions without even trying because everyone is so helpful! seriously. wtf. look at f***ing machina!they have a sangan that searches a stratos that searches a boss monster! wtf! and arcana?their boss monsters dont even mention them in the effect text. they just pump each other's attack, or summon one more guy from your hand. f*** that.[/quote'] Arcanas are bad because they aren't friends! The power of friendship makes the others stronger! [/foefic] i hope you arent being too sarcastic with this. what i described is called synergy, and it basically runs good decks. all good decks. just look at gadgets, they're the best friends in the world, always looking for each other, and it works :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 You know that if a coin is tossed by a human' date=' the chances of the side facing upwards before you toss it is actually 50.49/49.51. P (Side facing upwards when placed on thumb before toss) = 50.49P (Other side) = 49.51 So if you are playing an Arcana Force deck, always put the coin on your thumb HEADS facing upwards.[/quote'] Just thought I might call bullshit. The force with which the coin is flipped, how heavy the coin is, the small contrast of the weight on each side of the coin, the wind, the level of gravity on whatever planet you're on, etc have variable influences on which side the coin lands on. Oh, and use one of those novelty coins with a head on each side for Arcana Force cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Gengar Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 their heads effects blow' date=' their tails effects are suicidal. arcana force's primary problem is that they don't give two shits about each other. only a couple of them have effects that help each other at all, and theyre useless. attack pumping by 500? summoning on your opponents turn from the hand and their discretion? thats garbage.let's compare to lightsworn support:-lumina is a zombie master. revive one friend for almost free. you can also essentially double summon one friend by pitching the guy you want to revive.-wulf doesnt help others, but he gets helped. randomly the others will just summon him!-celestia becomes a better monarch when you tribute one of her friends!-garoth may mill more, but when he plays with his friends you get the opportunity to draw more by milling over more of his friends!-aurkus lord of d's his friends, protecting them from all harm!-judgment dragon can only be summoned when you have enough of his friends in the grave, and they get to the grave by the help of his friends. really you meet his summoning conditions without even trying because everyone is so helpful! seriously. wtf. look at f***ing machina!they have a sangan that searches a stratos that searches a boss monster! wtf! and arcana?their boss monsters dont even mention them in the effect text. they just pump each other's attack, or summon one more guy from your hand. f*** that.[/quote'] Arcanas are bad because they aren't friends! The power of friendship makes the others stronger! [/foefic] i hope you arent being too sarcastic with this. what i described is called synergy, and it basically runs good decks. all good decks. just look at gadgets, they're the best friends in the world, always looking for each other, and it works :P I'm agreeing with you and making a joke at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Intervention of Fate and Ace of Sword /topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I've realized that the Za Warudo lock is much easier to pull off with Ronintoadin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecoboy1324 Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 You know that if a coin is tossed by a human' date=' the chances of the side facing upwards before you toss it is actually 50.49/49.51. P (Side facing upwards when placed on thumb before toss) = 50.49P (Other side) = 49.51 So if you are playing an Arcana Force deck, always put the coin on your thumb HEADS facing upwards.[/quote'] Can you back that up with something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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