Overpowered??? [DISC: The Wicked Avatar]

[Master of Chaos™]

Okay i admit this card may be Useless but please listen to me for just a Second. This card may be Good because it's a Double Cold Wave for the opponent. It Stops theirs Spells and Traps while letting you Create a Good OTK Situation. So mainly it's ATK Increase doesn't matter. All that matters is to remember how Good Cold Wave can be and then think of this monster as two times as powerful as that card.

[Flame Dragon]

Okay i admit this card may be Useless but please listen to me for just a Second. This card may be Good because it's a Double Cold Wave for the opponent. It Stops theirs Spells and Traps while letting you Create a Good OTK Situation. So mainly it's ATK Increase doesn't matter. All that matters is to remember how Good Cold Wave can be and then think of this monster as two times as powerful as that card.

It would be if it didn't come at the cost of 3 of your monsters

[Master of Chaos™]

You forget that sometimes Tributing 3 Monsters is a Good thing. For an example. You have no Monsters in your Graveyard and 3 DARK Monsters on your side of the field. You Tribute all of them and Summon him. He says Spells and Traps cannot be activated for 3 turns. Now you have 3 DARK Monsters in the Graveyard which is just enough to Summon DAD. The same thing can go with JD. Or you can Tribute something that gains its effects in the Graveyard like Necro Gardna or Plaguespreader Zombie really think if it is a Bad thing or a Good thing?

[Manjoume Thunder]

You forget that sometimes Tributing 3 Monsters is a Good thing. For an example. You have no Monsters in your Graveyard and 3 DARK Monsters on your side of the field. You Tribute all of them and Summon him. He says Spells and Traps cannot be activated for 3 turns. Now you have 3 DARK Monsters in the Graveyard which is just enough to Summon DAD. The same thing can go with JD. Or you can Tribute something that gains its effects in the Graveyard like Necro Gardna or Plaguespreader Zombie really think if it is a Bad thing or a Good thing?

 

Please stop posting bullshit.

[Flame Dragon]

You forget that sometimes Tributing 3 Monsters is a Good thing. For an example. You have no Monsters in your Graveyard and 3 DARK Monsters on your side of the field. You Tribute all of them and Summon him. He says Spells and Traps cannot be activated for 3 turns. Now you have 3 DARK Monsters in the Graveyard which is just enough to Summon DAD. The same thing can go with JD. Or you can Tribute something that gains its effects in the Graveyard like Necro Gardna or Plaguespreader Zombie really think if it is a Bad thing or a Good thing?

Their are better ways to get monsters in the grave. Like for Plague if you have it and 2 other monsters why not synchro. You'll get a much better monster and you still get them in the grave. Hell, I'd rather let my opponent attack into them then waste it for a really bad -2 since ten the monsters are acting as a meat shield.

[Succubus Queen]

Right, -2 yourself for an extra turn with Cold Wave.

[-Griffin]

ITT: Losing 3 monsters and getting nothing is a -2.

YCM, welcome to junior school math. Here, we learn that 3-0 = 3. Wow.

[Succubus Queen]

ITT: Losing 3 monsters and getting nothing is a -2.

YCM, welcome to junior school math. Here, we learn that 3-0 = 3. Wow.

-3 monsters +1 Avatar = -2

 

A Summon is a +1 regardless.

 

Good job.

[Flame Dragon]

-3 monsters +1 Avatar = -2.

 

A Summon is a +1 regardless.

 

Good job.

No I was wrong, and so were you. Your losing 3 cards and gain none. It's -3. IDK why I said 2.

 

And, no, a summon isn't a +1 since you don't gain any card out of it. If you have the 3 monster and Avatar and sac 3 of them for it your down to 1, or you've -3 from yourself.

[Succubus Queen]

No I was wrong, and so were you. Your losing 3 cards and gain none. It's -3. IDK why I said 2.

 

And, no, a summon isn't a +1 since you don't gain any card out of it. If you have the 3 monster and Avatar and sac 3 of them for it your down to 1, or you've -3 from yourself.

Crap.

 

All of those guides I've read on Card Advantage were wrong, then.

 

They all said a Summon is a +1.

[Flame Dragon]

Crap.

 

All of those guides I've read on Card Advantage were wrong, then.

 

They all said a Summon is a +1.

In terms of field advantage it is, but it doesn't create any net gain in advantage.

 

Summons vary in advantage. For example a synchro in it's simplest form is a -1, a Fusion is a -2 normally, and normal summon of a level 4 monster is +0. I really can't think of any that are +1s TBQH.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

A +1 to the field and a -1 to the hand is what a summon is, therefore its a +0. Considering you need to tribute three, it becomes a -3 from the field, a +1 summon, and a -1 from the hand, therefore in total a -3.

How hard can simple addition and subtraction be!

[Toffee.]

A +1 to the field and a -1 to the hand is what a summon is, therefore its a +0. Considering you need to tribute three, it becomes a -3 from the field, a +1 summon, and a -1 from the hand, therefore in total a -3.

How hard can simple addition and subtraction be!

Except in some cases, people dont worry about the number of cards in your hand.

As playing cards from your hand is part of how you win.

[PowerlinX]

Most of the SJ exclusives suck.

[Master of Chaos™]

Okay then you have all proven your point, Avatar Sucks. But don't say all the Wicked Beasts Suck. Eraser does not Suck it's a 3 Tribute Black Rose that isn't Limited and it gains 1000 ATK for each card on the field. So you are looking at sort of a Fusion between Slifer and Black Rose. have Field Trouble? You Summon him, say i activate his effect, all cards on the field destroyed. So it's not that bad. And about the Wicked Dreadroot or whatever, i don't think he's too Good, he does Half all Monster's ATK by Half but he can be easily destroyed by any Card Effect.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Eraser is even worse than Avatar.

 

BRD requires 1 card. (2 if you are doing it wrong.)

Eraser requires 4.

[Master of Chaos™]

Eraser requires 3 Tributes.

[Flame Dragon]

Okay then you have all proven your point, Avatar Sucks. But don't say all the Wicked Beasts Suck. Eraser does not Suck it's a 3 Tribute Black Rose that isn't Limited and it gains 1000 ATK for each card on the field. So you are looking at sort of a Fusion between Slifer and Black Rose. have Field Trouble? You Summon him, say i activate his effect, all cards on the field destroyed. So it's not that bad. And about the Wicked Dreadroot or whatever, i don't think he's too Good, he does Half all Monster's ATK by Half but he can be easily destroyed by any Card Effect.

Why is Black Rose being at one matter. It's a synchro so it can show up at the drop of a hat.

 

Gaining attack based on cards on the field after you already tributed 3 of your own monster means if he's going to be a decent beastick your opponent would need to have a few cards on their field. If they do 1) How did you end up with 3 monsters and 2) Odds are they can do something about it. And reason 1 also makes the nuke effect kind of points since you won't want to nuke if your winning and normally having 3 monsters out means that.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Eraser requires 3 Tributes.

 

And himself.

 

Now stop being stupid.

[Master of Chaos™]

Okay sorry but i seriously think that the Wicked Gods can be used in Certain Decks even if they do Suck in others.

[-Griffin]

Okay sorry but i seriously think that the Wicked Gods can be used in Certain Decks even if they do Suck in others.

 

Decks designed for them are worse than Decks designed for non-awful cards. They really just aren't good.

[Thomas★Zero]

KEEP.

USING.

IT.

!.

 

Wicked Avatar isnt 'overpowered', its just annoying.

As the first few turns you have to put up with this giant troll-monster.

But after that, it easily goes down.

Not that easy if hit summoned by tributing Hardend armed dragon and when that happens its only weakness is skill drain.

[Master of Chaos™]

Not that easy if hit summoned by tributing Hardend armed dragon and when that happens its only weakness is skill drain.

 

Yeah i have tried that with an Earthbound Immortal, harder to accomplish than it sounds.

[-Griffin]

Not that easy if hit summoned by tributing Hardend armed dragon and when that happens its only weakness is skill drain.

 

Or DD Warrior Lady

Or DD Assailant

Or DD Warrior

Or Grand Mole

Or MJ#2

Or Brio

Or Mist Wurm

Or Trish

Or Penguin Soldier

Or Nightmare Penguin

Or Caius

Or Juju

Or Plasma

Or Sphinx

Or Hyper Hammerhead

Or Wall of Illusion

Or Raiza

Or, after 2 turns:

Karma Cut, PWWB, Compulse, D-Prison, Back to Square 1, Dark Core, Prohibited Chalice...

 

You know, I'm getting bored of this list, it's so damn long.

Let's just agree that even with HAD, it isn't anywhere near invincible/broken, and making a Deck around that is just silly.