Corporal Punishment: Good or Bad?

[Luna Lovegood]

Come to my cousin's house.

 

He's 6, he acts like he is still a baby.

 

If you don't listen to what he wants, he'll spit, punch, kick, bite, and b****.

 

If you don't keep a eye on him, he'll run across the neighborhood or try to throw his baby sister.

 

He also tries to strip his other lil sister and say he's just curious.

 

He slaps, punches, kicks, and cuss out his own mom and dad.

 

And guess what?

 

His mom never even slapped his wrist.

Correlation does not imply causation

 

Have you never seen the pirate/global warming graph? Your argument is invalid

[Saturn of Elemia]

Come to my cousin's house.

 

He's 6, he acts like he is still a baby.

 

If you don't listen to what he wants, he'll spit, punch, kick, bite, and b****.

 

If you don't keep a eye on him, he'll run across the neighborhood or try to throw his baby sister.

 

He also tries to strip his other lil sister and say he's just curious.

 

He slaps, punches, kicks, and cuss out his own mom and dad.

 

And guess what?

 

His mom never even slapped his wrist.

 

I would be SO dead if I ever acted like that.

 

Such a shame. I see kids acting like that practically everyday.

[Raiza]

My familly never used it, and guess what? My sister has amazing grades, my brother is sucesful, and none of us are spoilt. I see no reason for corporal punishment

 

Just because your family is perfect does not mean that there is no need for corporal punishment. Kids should get smacked as this teaches discipline but not beaten as this can lead to serious problems and child abuse.

[Catterjune]

ITT: Kids who have never taken child development or psychology.

 

There is nothing to be gained by using physical force other then to show your child and set the example you should control by fear. Getting your child to understand consequences beyond five across the eyes is much more effective.

[Blake]

Luna, you misunderstand Corporal Punishment as beating. Getting spanked, even with a belt, or having your mouth washed out is NOT beating.

 

@Pikaperson: No, it is not. My sister got negative reinforcement, and she is spoiled beyond belief, as so many others have said as well.

[Catterjune]

@Pikaperson: No, it is not. My sister got negative reinforcement, and she is spoiled beyond belief, as so many others have said as well.

 

Anecdotes aren't admissible to show something is better or worse. All it does is prove we've all been raised differently.

 

Corporal punishment results in children being more aggressive over time. This isn't the case 100% of the time, but it's probably a significant reason why the various social science communities, especially psychology, are unequivocally against the practice.

[Blake]

That's because modern day we are all supposed to ignore fighting, and love each other like hippies. Poppycock.

 

Simply put, Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you actually look, the children who were born/raised BEFORE the Hippy movement are calm and rrespectful. They are all middle aged and older now, but they behave calmer. People younger than them, from Hippy era, are much worse in behavior.

[King of Yesonia]

Children of a young age learn by pain and pleasure. If you hit them for doing something wrong, they will know that they will get hurt if they do that. And if you hug them for doing something good, they will learn that they will gain pleasure from doing that. There are cases where children are perfectly behaved and they haven't been harmed in any way by their parents. And that's fine. But there are sometimes when tough love is required.

[Raiza]

Children of a young age learn by pain and pleasure. If you hit them for doing something wrong, they will know that they will get hurt if they do that. And if you hug them for doing something good, they will learn that they will gain pleasure from doing that. There are cases where children are perfectly behaved and they haven't been harmed in any way by their parents. And that's fine. But there are sometimes when tough love is required.

 

This.

[Silent Omega]

My cousin is a spoiled girl and she was hit many times :/ And I haven't been punished much except by my father who isn't here and I'm rather normal. I think.

 

OT;

 

Sounds effective.

[RestLess-BoTics]

Movin' this to Debates, yo. Sorry it took a while to approve the original.

[Sunshine Jesse]

I was spoiled as a child and never beaten yet am pretty much the kindest person you will ever know if you get to know me. I don't believe children should be hit any more then spouses or animals, AKA not at all.

[Blake]

My GreatGrandpa hit a mule over the head with a mallet. It was never stubborn again, and it lived to a ripe old age.

 

That was to animals.

 

My point is that SPANKING is not a form of Abuse, and will not cause issues.

 

Funny, Pikaperson said anecdotes don't count, and yet, others, such as Zarkus, give anecdotes for the opposing side and think it means something.

[The Dark One]

Everyone in this thread other than PIkaperson and Luna are horribly ignorant. EDIT: I have since noticed several other sensible, if brief, comments in the thread.

 

You're saying that corporal punishment correlates to "proper manners," essentially. This may even be true, though you are ignoring a whole host of other issues that come hand in hand with this form of punishment. The larger flaw in your logic is the association of "bad manners" with the absence of corporal punishment. These badly behaved children are not the result of the absense of corporal punishment, but simply the result of bad parenting. Those spoiled sisters of yours are spoiled because your parents learned enough not to sock her every time she did something wrong, but not quite enough to actually be a semi-decent parent for her.

 

It's far better to make the child understand WHY what they did was wrong, not simply to create an immediately evident drawback. This should be for obvious reasons. Namely: It creates a far more consistent system of morality. Children of corporal punishment are more likely to do something wrong if they think they can get away with it, for example. They are more violent (I can personally attest to this. Of my friends, those who were corporally punished have more violent and dominance-related relationships with their siblings than those who were not. Also, studies show that they are, obviously, far more likely to beat their own children or their spouses.), and they have an artificial system of class hierarchy. --> They're more closeminded.

 

Corporal punishment may not always completely f*** people up (though it usually does, just to varying extents), but that doesn't mean that it's suddenly an ok practice. The plain and simple truth is it's a result of laziness. Uneducated parents that don't know how else to control their child will resort to it, and the damage shows.

[Saturn of Elemia]

Yeah - because you can't spank the child THEN tell them what they did wrong. That TOTALLY doesn't work.

 

It's already been pointed out when such measure should be used - and what constitues discipline from a flat out beating. There IS a difference.

 

I'll stick with corporal punishment when it's necessary, thank you very much.

[Supreme Gamesmaster]

It's ineffective and, quite frankly, wrong -- in the sense that argumentum ad baculum is a logical fallacy that can only force the wills of the parent on the child.

 

Would it be right to hit a subordinate at work for doing something wrong? The same should apply between parent and child, except with even more respect.

 

Corporal punishment is outdated and worthless, only good for brainwashing children. I cannot stand for it.

 

And if my parents hit me, I wouldn't be left with respect or reverence for the message they were trying to convey, but a burning hatred and a newfound drive to disobey whatever lesson they were trying to beat into me. So on top of all that, it's ineffective.

 

Rebuttals coming up.

[Blake]

I find it funny how everyone against Corporal Punishment automatically calls it beating, such as The Dark ONe saying 'Sock her' or SG saying 'Hit me'. I've never been hit like that, but I have been spanked. THAT is Corporal Punishment.

 

@Gamemaster: How is it ineffective? It has been shown to be effective as long as it does not turn into beating.

 

I hate my mother more for treating me like my sister's slave than for spanking me. I don't hold a shred of hate for 'Being hit'.

 

Also, why is it those of us for a mere spanking are ignorant, whereas you people are the enlightened? As far as I can tell, you have liberal beliefs, and that means everyone is to be treated equal, and conservatives are intollerant, but liberals are often VERY prejudiced aren't they?

[Supreme Gamesmaster]

Again: If I were to fall victim to corporal punishment, I would see it for what it was: a bad attempt at argumentum ad baculum and an attempt to control me by fear. The only thing it accomplishes is a sort of brainwashing, forcing the exact views of the parent on the child and threatening pain if one were to disobey. That said, corporal punishment would make me far more likely to disobey my parents' morality.

 

One particular ignoramus spelled it out for what it was — he claimed that children should receive corporal punishments in order to remove their free will and instill a reverence for the parent before they were old enough to argue back.

 

It's a logical fallacy and an attempt at control by fear — the Doctrine of Fear, on a smaller scale. >.>

[King of Yesonia]

Children of a young age learn by pain and pleasure. If you hit them for doing something wrong, they will know that they will get hurt if they do that. And if you hug them for doing something good, they will learn that they will gain pleasure from doing that. There are cases where children are perfectly behaved and they haven't been harmed in any way by their parents. And that's fine. But there are sometimes when tough love is required.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Ugh.

These people who say spanking and the such is bad, HAVE YOU EVER DONE SOMETHING WRONG THEN GOT SPANKED?

No?

Then try it and see wonders.

It worked with most of my younger siblings, and they fallen into line.

Of course, that's only when I'm there making sure they do their job.

Blakie of course, also does this.

He makes sure they do their job and don't make any trouble.

But ever since our older bro stopped us from spanking them, they've gotten out of line.

Running across the streets without looking both ways, eating a s*** ton of sweets and drinking gallons of soda.

THEY EVEN NEARLY f***ing BROKE OUR FAMILY ALTAR.

Our older bro now just sits down with them and tell them it's wrong.

Then they just say "We're sorry" then go off making more trouble.

Now, when we spanked them, we spanked them f***ing hard and then sent them to their room, unplugging any TV and any gaming devices.

We also constantly lecture them. Telling them that they have a cushier childhood then me and Blakie. Not to mention all the s*** our older bro had to do when he was young.

When we were young, me and my bros were sent to our dad's friends to be taken care of since he couldn't afford to raise 3 kids.

When I was young, I was sent immediately to work and school with 2 crabby old couple. When I wasn't doing anything I was ether working, reading, or being locked in a room. Blakie was sent to a young couple and forced to stay outside for most of his childhood, even at night, he was forced outside. We don't know our older bro's childhood, but we know he was in deep s***. We knew he had the worst out of us.

We were spanked and whacked with metal or wooden spoons when we did something wrong.

Also, how do you teach criminals that they did something wrong?

Do you go up to them, and put your hand on his or her shoulders and say:

"Hey, what you did was wrong. Go into that corner and think about what you did."

No.

No you don't.

You show them tough love.

That's how MOST messages truly sink in.

As Russel Peters says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

[The Dark One]

Actually, you're supposed to give criminals "time outs" (jail time) or have them make up for what they did (community service). In other words yes, our criminal justice system should be based upon a similar system of correctional procedures.

 

Let me guess, you're a fan of torture?

[Saturn of Elemia]

Corporal punishments works in the natural world - and it can work here. If an animal infant staps outta line, the parent will make sure to put it back in its place - usually with a swat or a bite. As for the whole fear thing? Discipline is SUPPOSED to make them fear doing bad things - for fear of reprocussions. That whole using fear to control them argument is invalid.

 

If I went and told older generation parents about all this new-age parenting stuff, I would get laughed at SO hard and called ignorant. They'd say the spankings worked - and I would agree 100%.

 

I see corporal punishment as a wake-up call and a reality check/reminder - and a lotta kids these days need that. I have three younger cousins. Two were spanked when they were younger - and one wasn't. The one that wasn't is a rowdy ill-mannered child who does whatever he wants. The other two? Well-mannered and respectful. You're not gonna tell me that corporoal punishment doesn't work. It's just not gonna happen.

 

You don't like this? That's your problem. Sayonara...

[Cin]

We don't see it as fair when you hit an animal for discipline, so why is it accepted to hit (spanking is essentially hitting a child) a child? I wonder if extreme cases the children goes on to see as acceptable behavior? Does it work on everyone? Why are we still using OUTDATED parenting methods, no wonder children are all less happy than they used to be.

 

Discipline has never made me fear doing anything again, I still do it over and over, albeit with some mental issues and at times the want to disown my father. I see it as natural for a child to try and push the boundaries, they need to find what's right and wrong by themselves, and the consequences without being spanked. There's so many external factors out there that effect a child's behavior, such as their genes, environment (both school and a home), media and others, you cannot pin point corporal punishment as being the factor that may have made a child turn out alright, they could just behave because its in their genes.

 

Animals have a far simipler society and less external influences than the human society.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Actually, you're supposed to give criminals "time outs" (jail time) or have them make up for what they did (community service). In other words yes, our criminal justice system should be based upon a similar system of correctional procedures.

 

Let me guess, you're a fan of torture?

 

Of course I am.

 

Let's face it.

 

If you want info out of someone who ain't willing to give you s***, you must use force.

 

Example, if Tier 1 U.S. Army Rangers capture a enemy soldier with info on where Osama and other high Al Qaeda operatives hidden within the U.S. government, wouldn't you do anything to get that precious info?

 

I know the harsh reality, but face it.

 

Are we just gonna give him a cookie and ask him?

 

And if he won't, we'll just put him in time out?

 

No.

 

Across human history, we did anything possible to retrieve vital info.

[Dark]

Depends, really. Personally, I don't think that borderline child abuse is the right way to treat your children, nor is it really effective, but I'm wrong on that second part.

 

If you are a submissive child who cowers away in fear when a teacher yells at you, a good smack in the face will definitely teach you not to do something. It's SOMEWHAT the same mentality that if you touch a hot plate, you get hurt, so you won't do it again.

 

If you are a disobedient ass like myself, I don't care how much you hit me, I will do whatever the hell I want to do. And, obviously, if you break that line from borderline child abuse and get into serious child abuse, I have no problem going to foster parents who will most likely treat me better. Oh, and I'll have the satisfaction of two idiots (or one) being put in jail.

 

Personally, it's not the smartest way to teach your children anything. You guys (or at least one poster on page one) use wrong examples by saying if a person doesn't hit their kid, they are going to be apologetic and the nicest parents you'll ever meet.