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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100814/ts_afp/uspoliticsreligionattacksobama_20100814172344

 

Idiots.

 

They'll okay with Christians getting benefits, but not any other religion.

 

The U.S. has to keep on it's promise of religious freedoms, or else it'll once again prove that Republics will b**** and moan until they get what they want.

 

Discuss.

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Somewhat off topic; Why the hell haven't they rebuilt over the Trade Center again? I mean, it was a tragedy yeah, but get over it. Build it up again. Or build something new, I dunno, just don't leave it as a giant hole in the ground.

 

In any case, there are a lot of muslims in New York. In particular, there are a lot of muslims in that part of New York. In fact, there's a functioning Mosque near Ground Zero ANYWAY. To those who say, 'build it elsewhere'; it isn't needed elsewhere. Obviously, the muslim community is large enough in the area that it would benefit from a second mosque around that location.

 

Trying to veto the building strikes me as incredibly bigoted. The muslim community couldn't have prevented the 9/11 attacks, any more than the christian community could have prevented the crusades, or the innumerable other atrocities caused by christian extremists. They have a legal right to build where they want; taking away that right would be in violation of their constitution.

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^They've been rebuilding for a while, dude. Since 2006, i believe. Get with the times.

 

+Since we do live in America... Mr. President... and we are a democracy, the people of the community should be able to take a vote whether to allow the mosque to be built or not. You wouldn't want an adult bookstore right next to an elementary school would you?

 

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I read the title of the article and thought two things instantly.

 

1.) Obama is more intelligent than I thought.

2.) Some idiotic Republicans or non-Muslims are stirring up these controversies.

 

They own the land. There are enough Muslims in the area to constitiute for a mosque to be built. There is no logical argument against the mosque being built.

 

Also, before you make assumptions, it has not been explicitly proven that Muslims caused 9/11. I am not going to state anything further than that (you already know my beliefs), but it has not been proven, and any argument against the mosque goes off of the assumption that Muslim terrorists brought down the World Trade Centers.

 

Also, if two blocks away isn't fine, what is fine? Three blocks? Five? Seven? How can you justify "how far away the mosque should be" for it to be morally correct to build?

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I read the title of the article and thought two things instantly.

 

1.) Obama is more intelligent than I thought.

2.) Some idiotic Republicans or non-Muslims are stirring up these controversies.

 

They own the land. There are enough Muslims in the area to constitiute for a mosque to be built. There is no logical argument against the mosque being built.

Exactly right. Regardless of the public opinion surrounding the action, it is clearly legal, and any preventative measures would be undermining the very liberties we claim to uphold.

 

Also, before you make assumptions, it has not been explicitly proven that Muslims caused 9/11. I am not going to state anything further than that (you already know my beliefs), but it has not been proven, and any argument against the mosque goes off of the assumption that Muslim terrorists brought down the World Trade Centers.

You're opinion in this matter is in desperate need of change.

 

Also, if two blocks away isn't fine, what is fine? Three blocks? Five? Seven? How can you justify "how far away the mosque should be" for it to be morally correct to build?

I THINK WE SHOULD OUTLAW MOSQUES IN AMERICA HUR DUR! This is what really gets me. If the building was actually going to be on the site of the trade centers, I think a reasonable argument could be made. But it's not, it just happens to be near it.

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My opinions are my opinions. I don't care to discuss the topic much, since it doesn't affect me all that much. I have my thoughts, and you have your's. <3

 

I could still see an argument for why they are not allowed to build on the site itself, provided no one else could build there either. There is a Jewish community center within a 2-block radius, and I am willing to bet there is some Catholic/Christian church. Obvious discrimination is obvious.

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Republicans and idiots love to control what happens in the U.S. That much is known.

 

They believe that America should ONLY be a GOD fearing country, nothing more.

 

They believe that if a person or group who believed in Allah had bombed or killed someone, that everyone who believes in Allah is a criminal.

 

That is wrong.

 

I bet if a Buddhist monk bombed everyone in a Catholic Church, me and my family would have to deal with everyone believing that Buddhism is about bombing churches.

 

(Even though during the Vietnam War, the Roman Catholic Church allowed the slaughter of hundreds of Buddhist monks in the name of their Lord.)

 

Basically, they think that building a place of worship to Allah is bad if it's anywhere near the site of 9/11 because they think all Muslims are like the ones who bombed the World Trade Center.

 

This is not true.

 

Are all azns like the one who shot up everyone in Virginia Tech?

 

No.

 

We aren't.

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(Even though during the Vietnam War, the Roman Catholic Church allowed the slaughter of hundreds of Buddhist monks in the name of their Lord.)

 

I know it's a bit off-topic, but... hey, Mr. VK. Can you spell "hypocrisy"? :]

 

Oh you.

 

This is one of the many moments in which I wished I married you instead of Wynn.

 

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^They've been rebuilding for a while, dude. Since 2006, i believe. Get with the times.

 

+Since we do live in America... Mr. President... and we are a democracy, the people of the community should be able to take a vote whether to allow the mosque to be built or not. You wouldn't want an adult bookstore right next to an elementary school would you?

 

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Uhm, because your constitution guaranties equal treatment to all religions? And because muslims own the land in which the mosque is going to be built?

 

No, I wouldn't want an adult bookstore next to an elementary school. Your analogy makes no sense, and feels almost a little racist. Would you care to explain it? After all, you wouldn't build such a store near an elementary school in order to prevent the kids from getting involved in something they shouldn't really be doing. Exactly how does that translate to another religious center being built in a city that already has a bunch of churches, synagogues and yes, even mosques?

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+Since we do live in America... Mr. President... and we are a democracy, the people of the community should be able to take a vote whether to allow the mosque to be built or not. You wouldn't want an adult bookstore right next to an elementary school would you?

 

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1) Obama just said they had the right to do it, which Republicans don't believe for whatever reason.

 

2) It's a highly Muslim community. It's more like building an "adult bookstore" next to a community college for a adults really.

 

3) They own the land. You can't vote that right away.

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You wouldn't want the Japanese to build a cultural center at Pearl Harbor would you? Sure a monument that says sorry and that we need to stay peaceful is OK but say it didn't remember those that died that day? Not OK. I say intent for it is the important thing here.

 

From Wikipedia:

Córdoba (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkorðoβa]; also Cordova; Qurṭuba قرطبة) is a city in Andalusia, southern Spain, and the capital of the province of Córdoba. An Iberian and Roman city in ancient times, in the Middle Ages it was capital of an Islamic caliphate. During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.[1]

 

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C. Lee Hanson, whose son, daughter-in-law, and baby granddaughter were killed, felt that building a tribute to Islam so close to the World Trade Center site would be insensitive: "The pain never goes away. When I look over there and I see a mosque, it’s going to hurt. Build it someplace else."[7][109] Hanson and his wife wrote, further:

It has the trappings of a victory mosque, given its location.... The refusal of ... Rauf to be specific about who the donors were for the $5 million to buy the building, and will be for the $100 million for construction, is worrisome.... The imam argues that America bears much of the responsibility for 9/11. Even so, Councilwoman Margaret Chin praised the imam ... and accused opponents of being prejudiced or anti-immigrant. We are neither. One of us is the child of Greek immigrants, with a sister married to a Muslim. Our son married the daughter of Korean immigrants. Councilwoman Chin and others need a new argument.[109]

 

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The specific location of the planned facility, so close to the World Trade Center “where a piece of the wreckage fell,” was a primary selling point for the Muslims who bought the building.[30] Rauf said it “sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11.” and “We want to push back against the extremists”.[30]

 

 

 

 

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See the similarity in names of Cordoba to Cordoba?

 

 

Also the rest is in my opinion proof of the intent of what they had done should it be true.

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You wouldn't want the Japanese to build a cultural center at Pearl Harbor would you? Sure a monument that says sorry and that we need to stay peaceful is OK but say it didn't remember those that died that day? Not OK. I say intent for it is the important thing here.

 

From Wikipedia:

Córdoba (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkorðoβa]; also Cordova; Qurṭuba قرطبة) is a city in Andalusia, southern Spain, and the capital of the province of Córdoba. An Iberian and Roman city in ancient times, in the Middle Ages it was capital of an Islamic caliphate. During this time Cordoba was one of the largest cities in the world whose name continues to represent a symbol of Islamic conquest to many faithful Muslims around the world.[1]

 

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C. Lee Hanson, whose son, daughter-in-law, and baby granddaughter were killed, felt that building a tribute to Islam so close to the World Trade Center site would be insensitive: "The pain never goes away. When I look over there and I see a mosque, it’s going to hurt. Build it someplace else."[7][109] Hanson and his wife wrote, further:

It has the trappings of a victory mosque, given its location.... The refusal of ... Rauf to be specific about who the donors were for the $5 million to buy the building, and will be for the $100 million for construction, is worrisome.... The imam argues that America bears much of the responsibility for 9/11. Even so, Councilwoman Margaret Chin praised the imam ... and accused opponents of being prejudiced or anti-immigrant. We are neither. One of us is the child of Greek immigrants, with a sister married to a Muslim. Our son married the daughter of Korean immigrants. Councilwoman Chin and others need a new argument.[109]

 

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The specific location of the planned facility, so close to the World Trade Center “where a piece of the wreckage fell,” was a primary selling point for the Muslims who bought the building.[30] Rauf said it “sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11.” and “We want to push back against the extremists”.[30]

 

 

 

 

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See the similarity in names of Cordoba to Cordoba?

 

 

Also the rest is in my opinion proof of the intent of what they had done should it be true.

You should probably look up what places under Islamic rule were like. Even if that weren't so, the name was in fact changed. Is "Park 51" too extremist for you?

 

Let's continue, shall we? First of all, it's not actually a mosque - though that's a bit of a quibble - the premises are planned to include a basketball court and culinary school, with the top two floors for prayer services. I don't like basketball either, but come on, it's not that bad.

 

Next, Park 51 is not two blocks away...it is TECHNICALLY two blocks away, but is more of a four or five block walk. It's not within view of Ground Zero at all.

 

"It's going to hurt" when she sees the "mosque" sounds really touching. Aw, the poor grieving - hm, I should probably stop before I sound too insensitive. My point is, as stupid people refuse to acknowledge, the Al Qaeda movement has as much to do with Islam as Christianity has to do with being a dick. Lots of Christians are dicks, but it doesn't have to do with them being Christian. Remember that lady who got her face torn up by a chimp? Maybe that was local news, but either way, imagine someone had the insensitivity to build a zoo, a zoo, within a few blocks of that woman's house...

 

"The pain never goes away. When I look over there and I see a zoo, it’s going to hurt. Build it someplace else."

 

Aaaaaaaaand last, but most certainly not least, there is already a mosque - an actual mosque - closer to Ground Zero than Park 51. It has, in fact, been there as long as the World Trade Center, having been built in the same year.

 

As a wise man once said: stfu and gtfo.

 

EDIT: Noticed your first few sentences. Your analogy fails. It would make sense if they were planning to build an Al Qaeda recruitment center there, rather than a place of worship. A better analogy might be: a Shinto shrine built withing several miles of Pear Harbor.

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Remember that lady who got her face torn up by a chimp? Maybe that was local news, but either way, imagine someone had the insensitivity to build a zoo, a zoo, within a few blocks of that woman's house...

 

"The pain never goes away. When I look over there and I see a zoo, it’s going to hurt. Build it someplace else."

 

Aaaaaaaaand last, but most certainly not least, there is already a mosque - an actual mosque - closer to Ground Zero than Park 51. It has, in fact, been there as long as the World Trade Center, having been built in the same year.

 

As a wise man once said: stfu and gtfo.

 

EDIT: Noticed your first few sentences. Your analogy fails. It would make sense if they were planning to build an Al Qaeda recruitment center there, rather than a place of worship. A better analogy might be: a Shinto shrine built withing several miles of Pear Harbor.

 

5 Points

1. She can't see and there may not be any chimps in it to show sympathy.

2. It was not supposed to use a painful moment to it's advantage.

3. It is not just a place of worship, you all said that yourselves.

4. Al-Quada is only Islamic. Not all dicks are Christians. Analogy fails.

5. They are still calling the project Cordoba House.

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1. That's how you try to defend your position? The woman can't see? Try debating the relevant points instead.

2. "It was not supposed to use a painful moment to its advantage"...I can't even tell what you're saying. On a scale from 1 to 10, how would you describe your fluency in the English language?

3. Yes, it's not just a place of worship. Is it the basketball court you take offense to?

4. That's a valid point, how about this: all KKK members are white, therefore all whites are members of or sympathize with the KKK. Agree or disagree?

5. Even if that's true, I don't care. They have a right to call it whatever they want, especially since Cordoba is, in fact, symbolic of religious equality and cooperation.

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How about I bring up a topic that hasn't been debated much in this thread?

 

Someone, anyone, give me a valid reason why this is illegal. Please, please notice the word "valid".

 

Good day, sirs.

 

 

Republican: Because they are using this as a way to mock America! Yes, a way to mock the greatest and more beloved country in the wo-

 

VK: *walks in with a bloody steel pipe* God. He's annoying. Anyhow, there is no reason why this should be illegal. You, me, and the Muslims have a right to practice their own reli-

 

Another Republican: *walks in with a smoking M9* THAT MAN WAS A TERRORIST. HE WENT AGAINST GOD AND THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. SURE, WE'RE BEING HYPOCRITES AND NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LIVE THE WAY THEY WANT AND SUPPOSE TO, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEIR TERRORISTS. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND MUSLIMS MUST NEVER SET FOOT IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY! HELL, WE'RE CURRENTLY TRYING TO GET RID OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT!

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Don't mean to minimod nor be a dick, but I was actually looking for a non-troll response. I would like someone to give me a valid reason why building a mosque near the Ground Zero center is illegal. Because, if it's not illegal, no one should have much of a problem other than bullshit claims that come from the assumption that Muslim terrorists caused 9/11 or religious discrimination (and blatant discrimination, at that).

 

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Eventually the entirety of America will be family friendly. No sin, no angst or negativity.

 

Everything will be dubbed by 4kids.

 

Any religious atrocities will be erased from history and remade as happy happy joy joy moments of fluffiness.

 

All of the middle america garbage and moral guardians on their wal-mart scooters will decide the fate of the country, as apposed to the senators that are kind of supposed to be doing that already.

 

In other words....ummm....

 

...huh?

 

Oh yeah, if you are going to build churches in third world countries, then the muslims automatically have permission to build mosques here.

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Don't mean to minimod nor be a dick, but I was actually looking for a non-troll response. I would like someone to give me a valid reason why building a mosque near the Ground Zero center is illegal. Because, if it's not illegal, no one should have much of a problem other than bullshit claims that come from the assumption that Muslim terrorists caused 9/11 or religious discrimination (and blatant discrimination, at that).

 

(This post is made in a rush while going to eat).

 

Its something to do with Political and Ethical Implications based on the assumption that Muslim's did in-fact cause 9-11 (not saying they did or didn't). That alone is enough to cause a public uproar and in a place like that I'm not so sure construction companies would agree to it, or if they did they'd be attacked by the public for doing so. Me and a friend had a HUGE discussion about it.

 

Right place, Wrong time.

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(This post is made in a rush while going to eat).

 

Its something to do with Political and Ethical Implications based on the assumption that Muslim's did in-fact cause 9-11 (not saying they did or didn't). That alone is enough to cause a public uproar and in a place like that I'm not so sure construction companies would agree to it, or if they did they'd be attacked by the public for doing so. Me and a friend had a HUGE discussion about it.

 

Right place, Wrong time.

Abridged version: other people don't like it, and if 80% of the public decides to disenfranchise the other 20%, then that's fine.

 

Similarly, there's nothing wrong with slavery other than that it's unpopular.

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Illegal? Who's saying its illegal? Its a poor place to build (even Barack Obama admitted that it was a bad idea.) But it is 100% legal and it would be unconstitutional to not let them build there.

 

As I said before, it would be very hypocritical of me to expect religious freedom for myself while at the same time not wanting to allow this Mosque to be built.

 

Now, lets assume the shoe was on the other foot. The only Christian extremist group I can think of at the moment, the KKK, makes a terrorist attack. (Not they really do that anymore, just an example.) A few years later, someone decides to build a Christian church right next to the site. Would that be ok?

 

Hmm i think they shouldn't be allowed to built the mosque there. Also, we shouldn't let Americans into Japan, as they bombed it, or Germans into basically anywhere. This is the logical solution.

 

Exactly.

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