Dark Hole

[Flame Dragon]

 

This is now at 1.

 

Discuss the impact this returning will have, and why this was even brought back in the first place.

[Master Hyperion]

Will be a staple.

 

And Konami brought this back because we have now Starlight Road, which is a terrible reason.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Should be @2. Everybody knows that.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

:D Dark Hole.

 

still the list lacked the unlimit of D-Draw so i'm not epically happy, but w/e.

 

 

OT:

 

Useful, most likely will be staple.

[-Griffin]

All the more reason this is Starlight format.

 

Should be @2. Everybody knows that.

 

Beat me to it =/

[Manjoume Thunder]

@Griffin

No this is a YuseiXAki format.

 

B)

[.Leo]

@Griffin

No this is a YuseiXAki format.

 

B)

 

B)

 

I am running a Synchron deck irl. Yay!

[Zauls]

Loving this format sooo much. LOADS of mass destruction going on. 3 BRD and Dark Hole. And the best thing is, I have most of the cards for the top deck of the format, DebrisHime. This is the best banlist I've ever seen tbh.

[OmegaWave]

One of the worst lists ever IMO. As for Dark Hole, should've never been made.

 

Now that Heavy is gone, S/Ts are gonna be harder to get past. the Heavy Storm ban + 3 United makes for an extremely cheap and noobish combo. As does the Semi of Magic Cylinder. Games are going to end faster now. Which in my mind, is not a good thing at all. What's the fun of a game ending in 2 turns?

[Manjoume Thunder]

No one decent will run United we Stand. Stop overreacting.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Konami wasn't thinking when they put this at 1.

It will break the meta even more due to field nuke then proceed to otk.

[Canadian]

Still prefer its S/T alterego. Broken card is broken and will deffinitly be @0 next list.

 

ITT: lolwhitehole.

[YamiMario]

Should be at 0.

 

Konami is screwing with us, I tell ya'...

[Expelsword]

One of the worst lists ever IMO. As for Dark Hole, should've never been made.

 

Now that Heavy is gone, S/Ts are gonna be harder to get past. the Heavy Storm ban + 3 United makes for an extremely cheap and noobish combo. As does the Semi of Magic Cylinder. Games are going to end faster now. Which in my mind, is not a good thing at all. What's the fun of a game ending in 2 turns?

 

Dark Hole was fine for the format it came out in...

[Zauls]

Dark Hole was fine for the format it came out in...

 

But that was like, in the prehistoric era, when people just summoned a monster, maybe set a card or two and ended. Then the opponent summoned a bigger monster, attacked and ended. Then the other player set a high DEF monster and ended. People only used to generally have 1 or 2 monsters on the field. Now, with all the massive swarming going around, Dark Hole can easily destroy 4-5-6 monsters.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

I bet Dark Hole will go through the Ban Limit revolving door for a few formats like Breaker did only it won't ever be put at a number higher than 1. Then again this is Konami we're talking about so who knows what might happen. Anyway, Dark Hole should not come back. It is costless and splashable mass monster removal and this game has plenty of splashable things to punish Monster overextension and aside from this, only 1 of them borders banworthiness and that is Mirror Force. Oh and in the format Dark Hole was released in, it was more difficult to actually capitalize on the advantage you gained from using this. Now, it is very easy to do so with all the easy to summon stuff and swarming engines.

[Toffee.]

Methinks Konami putting this@1, they were like: "HEY GUIZ, LETS POOT DARK HOEL BAK @ 1 FOR TEH LULZ"

....Or something like that

[Zauls]

Methinks Konami putting this@1, they were like: "HEY GUIZ, LETS POOT DARK HOEL BAK @ 1 FOR TEH LULZ"

....Or something like that

 

They were probably quite drunk. Either that, or they employed little children to think of the banlist. Still, apart from Dark Hole, the kids/drunk people have done a good job IMO!

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Methinks Konami putting this@1, they were like: "HEY GUIZ, LETS POOT DARK HOEL BAK @ 1 FOR TEH LULZ"

....Or something like that

 

Remember Arm, they do the ban list backwards. They banned Storm and unbanned this. Now we just have to wait for them to ban Chaos Sorcerer and bring back Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning.

[Toffee.]

Remember Arm, they do the ban list backwards. They banned Storm and unbanned this. Now we just have to wait for them to ban Chaos Sorcerer and bring back Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning.

In this format's case, they DIDNT B& Starlight, and unlimited/limited a bunch of broken monster removers.

 

Wow, just wow....

[jabber2033]

In this format's case, they DIDNT B& Starlight, and unlimited/limited a bunch of broken monster removers.

 

Wow, just wow....

 

^^This.

 

People will probably run 2-3 Starlights now, because of Dark Hole and BRD. Which means it'll get hit next list. Hopefully. I'm not getting my hopes up, though, considering what just happened here... They should've kept this Banned and Heavy Limited.

 

OT: Dark Hole will be a staple beyond a doubt. Everyone's gonna run this.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Back in the days, this was a okay card.

 

Back when the major decks were beatdowns, Spirits were Tier 2 at most if done correctly, and when swarming was pointless.

 

Back then, you could win by just having a bigger stick.

 

Those days, there were hardly any broken cards.

 

Now, this poses a problem.

 

This card now promote OTKs, while back then, this was just used to somewhat nearly OTK.

[King of Nothing]

Anyone else looking at this card and saying "Oh hi there x-sabers"? Seriously, if the opponent swarms their hand out turn 1 and you throw a dark hole on your first turn, the look on their face will be priceless.

 

Konami brought this back out because so many decks swarm and special summon that the most this is really going to do in tournament play is set you back a turn. If someone used darkhole against my current deck I don't even know if I'd flinch. I'd just bring everything back.

 

Besides, monster destruction is so easy to stop nowadays. The real problem is speed. Thank god they aren't bringing any cheap special summoning... *looks at monster reborn*

 

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Anyone else looking at this card and saying "Oh hi there x-sabers"? Seriously, if the opponent swarms their hand out turn 1 and you throw a dark hole on your first turn, the look on their face will be priceless.

 

Konami brought this back out because so many decks swarm and special summon that the most this is really going to do in tournament play is set you back a turn. If someone used darkhole against my current deck I don't even know if I'd flinch. I'd just bring everything back.

 

Besides, monster destruction is so easy to stop nowadays. The real problem is speed. Thank god they aren't bringing any cheap special summoning... *looks at monster reborn*

 

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

 

Bad thing is, this promotes a s*** ton of OTKs.

 

Also, I love your siggy.

 

I loved the surprise.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

I bet Dark Hole will go through the Ban Limit revolving door for a few formats like Breaker did only it won't ever be put at a number higher than 1. Then again this is Konami we're talking about so who knows what might happen. Anyway, Dark Hole should not come back. It is costless and splashable mass monster removal and this game has plenty of splashable things to punish Monster overextension and aside from this, only 1 of them borders banworthiness and that is Mirror Force. Oh and in the format Dark Hole was released in, it was more difficult to actually capitalize on the advantage you gained from using this. Now, it is very easy to do so with all the easy to summon stuff and swarming engines.

 

Breaker is at 3 now. You think that's where Dark Hole is going? (Yeah you said, it won't go higher than 1 but do you think there's a chance?)

 

I agree on the rest though, Dark hole should be banned it's usually a Raigeki.