Superdoopertrooper Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Substitoad All that is needed is an errata for this card to stop the insane FTK while at the same time not killing frogs. They should simply add "Once per turn". Discuss if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 They've only made two erratae that made changes like that. The first was to Ultimate Offering, and the second was adding "This Card Cannot Be Normal Summoned or Set" to a bunch of mistranslated Nomis/Semi-Nomis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 I dont understand the ftk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Tickle Me Emo' timestamp='1283147285' post='4581188'] I dont understand the ftk... [/quote] Sub dumps a bunch of Frogs into the grave. You then use them to keep bringing back Ronintoadin who is being sacked for 400 points burn via Mass Driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 ahh. sounds simple. however it doesnt sound completely ftkable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Tickle Me Emo' timestamp='1283147285' post='4581188'] I dont understand the ftk... [/quote] What you need: Mass Driver, Substitoad and one monster you can Special Summon such as Swap Frog (or alternatively you can have a Double Summon and one monster instead of a monster you can Special Summon). How you perform the FTK: Step 1: Normal Summon Substitoad. Step 2: Summon a monster that can be tributed by Substitoad's effect. Step 3: Tribute the monster you summoned in Step 2 with the effect of Substitoad to Special Summon a Frog monster from your Deck. Step 4: Repeat Step 3 but instead tribute the monster you Special Summoned in Step 3. NOTE: when Swap Frog is summoned you will need use it's effect to get Ronintoadin into the Graveyard for this FTK to work. Step 5 Repeat Step 4 until you have at least 18 Frogs other than Frog the Jam in your Graveyard with at least one Ronintoadin. Step 6: Activate Mass Driver. Step 7: Tribute Substitoad and the last Frog Special Summoned by Substitoad with the effect of Mass Driver to reduce your opponent's Life Points by 800 (400 * 2 = 800). NOTE: If Step 7 is skipped you must have 20 Frogs in your Graveyard instead of 18 in Step 6. Step 8: Activate the effect of Ronintoadin removing a Frog in the Graveyard to Special Summon it. Step 9: Tribute Ronintoadin with the effect of Mass Driver to reduce your opponent's Life Points by 400. Step 10: Repeat Steps 8 and 9 until you win (18 * 400 = 7200 + 800 = 8000). Substitoad also gives Frog Monarch Decks a lot of Ronintoadin fodder which along with Treeborn Frog allows you to summon a big monster pretty much every turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Tickle Me Emo' timestamp='1283147761' post='4581199'] ahh. sounds simple. however it doesnt sound completely ftkable... [/quote] Actually the FTK is incredibly easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Way too easy, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 90% of the time you FTK if you open with Substitoad and a monster. OT: Yeah, except that Erratas are not meant for that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 got the banned like it should be. if it couldnt load the grave so fast, it wouldnt be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1283149949' post='4581253'] 90% of the time you FTK if you open with Substitoad and a monster. OT: Yeah, except that Erratas are not meant for that ... [/quote] Or One for One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Got banned like it should have done. That FTK was way too broken. Frogs are still crazy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123hriwu3beofuf89383y Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Sorry about this post( original ). I think BLACKEYE is trying to get into my acount again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Tickle Me Emo' timestamp='1283147761' post='4581199'] ahh. sounds simple. however it doesnt sound completely ftkable... [/quote] It won worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='spider5667' timestamp='1283160175' post='4581420'] ME WISH IT WASNT BANED.i could win wid dis. [/quote] Here comes the daily brain-rotting comment from spider5667. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='spider5667' timestamp='1283160175' post='4581420'] ME WISH IT WASNT BANED.i could win wid dis. [/quote] That was the biggest problem of the deck. It was so good that even retards like you would win game 1 most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123hriwu3beofuf89383y Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 What? i didnt post that! Hacker! i will change my password. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Spider5667' timestamp='1283170154' post='4581567'] What? i didnt post that! Hacker! i will change my password. [/quote] Your fault. Or you're lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Still not sure why this OTK got killed, but infernity one still lives. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 frogs weren't making konami any money so they were fine with killing subby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1283183155' post='4581914'] Still not sure why this OTK got killed, but infernity one still lives. Just sayin. [/quote] Consistent FTK > A little less consistent OTK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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