Suicide.

[Kitty]

[quote name='.Lost' timestamp='1285819666' post='4668219']
Believe it or not, slitting your wrists while in a bath tub (from what i've heard) is considered a painless death. Plus, as soon as you pull the clip on the grenade, you probably dont have too much time to react without severely dismembering yourself. You have plenty of time considering how fast your blood tries to diffuse through the water.


You can simply argue that suicide is something irrational and at the same time totally rational, it matters more on the god damn circumstances.
Alright, first, lets take a quick look at the word.

su·i·cide   
[soo-uh-sahyd]

'the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind"

Alright. So if you fell off a cliff and died from the fall, it's considered suicide.
Also, if you stabbed yourself, it's considered suicide.

So literally, the definition of suicide is "death without the help of another" (aka shooting/stabbing/accident/etc), or at least thats what im guessing.

Suicide is something that a lot of people have touched on throughout the history of the world, and to be honest it's the same concept as, well, buying a ps3/x360/wii. You could argue that one is better than the other, but it mainly depends on your preferences and the current setting of your life on which you would like to buy a console. [b]If your a homeless person, no home, no family, no friends, committing suicide may not be a bad idea.[/b] Thinking about what i just said i have a feeling that it's really cruel to say that, but believe me when i say this, No pain is better than pain itself. Im not saying that any person should go out any kill themself, im saying that its purely your choice. I honestly dont like the idea of people dying, because believe it or not, this world is full of absolutely beautiful and wise people, and every single one of them deserves to live.

I dont really know what i just said there, probably contradicted myself a good 5 times, but whatever.
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Not really good about contradiction, but it sounds pretty solid to me.

But why shoud a homeless person even think of suicide, believe it or not I think homeless people are the ones that don't even think about it.

Suicide is for punk kids who fall flat on their asses and won't get back up. Because I don't care what anyone says, if they're depessed or whatever, it [b]can[/b] be fixed, unless you have this disorder/sickness that makes it impossible to fix it. said person can still take medicine to keep the problem down.

[-SupernovA-]

[quote name='.Lost' timestamp='1285819666' post='4668219']
You can simply argue that suicide is something irrational and at the same time totally rational, it matters more on the god damn circumstances.
Alright, first, lets take a quick look at the word.

su·i·cide   
[soo-uh-sahyd]

'the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind"

Alright. So if you fell off a cliff and died from the fall, it's considered suicide.
Also, if you stabbed yourself, it's considered suicide.

So literally, the definition of suicide is [b]"death without the help of another"[/b] (aka shooting/stabbing/accident/etc), or at least thats what im guessing.
[/quote]

Well if you have someone else shoot you, and it was your decision to have them do it, that's indirectly commiting suicide (they call it assisted suicide). If a group of people help killl eachother I think they call it genocide, nevertheless they had someone else intentionally kill them.

Example: You go to your friends house and hand them a pistol and ask them to shoot you in the head for whatever reason and they do it, even though it's not you pulling the trigger you made the decision that would lead to an event that you knew full-well would cause your life to end.

I dunno I'm just ranting but to me I still consider that suicide even if someone else is helping you do it.

[Jaime Duferier]

this might sound a bit stupid, but i'd rather my friends die b4 me, and the reason for that is that i don't want them to feel the extreme grief of me dying first...

[Smear]

[quote name='=The End Gamer=' timestamp='1285244023' post='4647699']
I believe that people who suicide didn't have the right to live from the start.
[/quote]

Get out.

[I-dreezyAFG]

[quote name='Smeargle' timestamp='1285863009' post='4668686']
Get out.
[/quote]

pwnage.

[Dark]

Suicide isn't death by oneself. Read the god damn definition you just posted. It's [i]voluntary[/i] and [i]intentional[/i] taking of your own life. <___<

[.Lost]

Death by one's self can be voluntary and intentional. You could intentionally stab yourself, and thats considered death by one's self, isn't it? Your doing something unaided, therefore death by "one's self"

[I-dreezyAFG]

exactly. u could fall off a cliff not knowing it was there, u could get hit by a car, not seeing the car, and u could make fun of a famous rapper in their face, not knowing they have guns

[Dark]

[quote name='.Lost' timestamp='1285908044' post='4670440']
Death by one's self can be voluntary and intentional. You could intentionally stab yourself, and thats considered death by one's self, isn't it? Your doing something unaided, therefore death by "one's self"
[/quote]

If you INTENTIONALLY stab yourself, then it is suicide. I agree. If you ACCIDENTALLY stab yourself, it is not considered suicide since the definition that was just posted said that it needed to be both intentional and voluntary. Accidents don't count.

[J-Max]

When you have the mindset to kill yourself, it's Suicide. Throwing yourself in front of a Train, Poisoning yourself. All forms of Suicide. Falling onto a Train Track or accidently consuming Poison and dying is accidental.

[TeamReginaRage]

I have recurring EXTREME depression / anger issues that cause thoughts of you-know-what, but I always get over it,
Thats the reason I had that freak the other night.

[I-dreezyAFG]

i guess we all have some issues. some people can just get up and rub those stains off. for some people the stains are permanent. and it ends up with you finding out of a suicide on the news

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

[quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1285192743' post='4646429']
No, it's not. I'm not selfish for wanting to end the pain[/quote]

Yes you are. To suffer for others' gain is kind. To end your suffering at others' expense is selfish.

[quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1285192743' post='4646429']
, and the pain and annoyance I cause to other people. Sure, they'll be hurt for a while after, but it'll balance out, and eventually be beneficial to them later if I'm not around. (I literally meaning me.)
[/quote]

Or you could y'know, just stop causing pain to others and continue living? Best of both worlds. >_>

[Kaisu]

Shouldn't this be moved to Debates?

Anyways...

Imagine. If an old person committed suicide, no-one can blame them.

If you ask an elderly person who was once successful what was next, they'd most likely say 'Death'.

It's the same reason most of the time. Either to end their suffering, or for the fact that...

They'd already had their slice of life. They were ready to go, and the world was already waiting to see them off.

Let's face it.

Suicide can be logical.

However, most of the time, it's not. It's just to end their suffering. Whether it's emotional(Most of the time) or physical(Rarely..?) they might be ready to go. The world might not be.

It might be selfish, but...

Be in a wonderful nexus whilst suffering, or cut those connections and just... Be at peace?

Humans are selfish. If a close one commits suicide, we'll go on about how they were stupid to take their own life.

But what about them? It might seem stupid but... It can be logical.

[Tentacruel]

I still can't believe you guys are debating about the definition of suicide. It's fairly simple.

If you [b]intentionally[/b] cause your own death, it's suicide. If your death is caused by our own hand or by the hand of someone else, and it wasn't in your intentions to die, it's not suicide.

[Ŋ℮cԵaԻ¡Ֆდ]

Suicide is a really inefficient way to end your problems. Murder works better, you get rid of more people that suck way more than you do... Anyways, I know some people that committed suicide, though I was kinda glad they did. They were total idiots. If losing a highschool basketball game it what pushed you over the edge, you deserved to die anyways... If only everyone that wasn't productive committed suicide...