Suicide.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1285194047' post='4646484']
Mental as in ill. But that is applying to everyone, every [i]single person[/i] who has [i]contemplated[/i] suicide. Pretty much... 98% of our middle school.

In fact, surveys constantly show that a majority of the world has contemplated suicide, even if they know for a fact they'd never go through with it.
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OK, I see you're point. I have in fact never contemlated suicide (except now since its the topic XD) but I have wondered what it'd be like to be dead, similiar no?

Studies have shown that the mental stability of teens is fairly fragile. So I'd go out on a limb saying that for awhile all or most people, when in their teens are not in a frame of sound mind.

[Kitty]

Okay.

I see suicide as this;

If that person thinks that they're doing a good deed and if it don't involve me then let the person who wants to commit suicide commit it. Shoot let them do it because they'll only be a problem down the road and you can kill two birds with one stone here.

But seeing as I had to write against the above statement in an essay it's more of like,

Suicide is stupid, get some f***ing help and stop thinking that you're going to do a good deed by taking yourself out of this world. You're only hurting the ones who care about you, and there are ways to getting out of the situation, blah blah blah.

[Marisa Kirisame-ze]

There's a girl I used to know.

Her reason for suicide was so beyond fine, that she defied when people say "suicide is selfish" or "suicide is stupid".

This girl had a very valuable reason over why she died.

People should open up more to someone's situation before calling suicide stupid in general. Sometimes, it's what needs to be done when you have nothing to lose and no one to care.

[Fader]

Suicide is an act of usually feeling guilty of something that you either did or feel for someway you were connected. No matter how many times you deny it everybody has contemplated it. It is Natural for humans at one point or another for them to feel guilty and want to just stop thinking and just well...die.

[Icy]

[quote name='Marisa Kirisame-ze' timestamp='1285205725' post='4647057']
Sometimes, it's what needs to be done when you have nothing to lose and no one to care.
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She had you, she had herself and her beating heart...

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Heres my two cents on this matter.
Its one less mouth to feed, one less waste post, one less thing that will kill.
This seems cruel and it is. I wouldn't care even if I was said person who committed suicide. Why? well that'd obvious cause i'd be dead of course. One person doesn't matter 100 people don't matter 10000 people don't matter a million people don't matter. Only when 90% of all human life has died will it matter and hell it might take even more then that. This world would be better off with out us in general but hey thats just me.

[.Starrk]

My best friend committed suicide. She was always so happy. I think I loved her. Then she left.

[CinnamonStar]

Adament: Saying that suicide is only because people feel guilty about something isn't always true, like I said there are perfectly sane, rational reasons to drop it. Person above me mentioned one, if you look at the state of the world and come to the conclusion that it would be better off without you or humanity in general (which is a frequent reason actually!) then you don't need to be insane to come up with that. Hatred against the human race and how many treat the environment and animals is common, and if the little things like "but you can make your friends happy" matter to you less than the damage you cause to the earth then it's your outlook on it. If you have a nihilistic outlook on the world or think that life itself is a waste then you're not necessarily insane. It's not my opinion but I can relate where people are coming from there.

I really think that one of the main triggers of suicide is that these people end up focussing only on their problems, personal stuff, the fact that their life as a child prostitute really is a mess or the damage that you/humanity is causing to the earth. Whatever. The big boulders overlap the little things and that's what makes me think that suicidal people often aren't able to look further away than their problems. It's not that they're too stupid to do that, sometimes all these little "but there are flowers, sparkles and friends" just don't mean anything anymore. Sure often it's egoistic, suicide IS very egoistic IMO. But while they could look over the fact that they have no one for example (and being all alone is hard for a social person) and try to deal with it by talking to their plants or pets or dolls, it just ends with the same result.

But then again that's just my imagination, I've never been suicidal and yeah, I enjoy small ridiculous things way too much to get overwhelmed by something big.

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1285207313' post='4647131']
My best friend committed suicide. She was always so happy. I think I loved her. Then she left.
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I'm sorry about that... I've never been in the case of losing a close friend at all so I wouldn't know... Do you know why she did it?

[Icy]

[quote name='Opalmoon' timestamp='1285208160' post='4647158']
But then again that's just my imagination, I've never been suicidal and yeah, I enjoy small ridiculous things way too much to get overwhelmed by something big.
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<3

[Fader]

@Opal

Well yeah I guess you're right. I just think a main reason is somebody full of and weighed down by guilt.

[Dark]

It's often correct in debates to [b]not[/b] use personal examples. While this isn't a debate, saying that "suicide is bad because I know someone who commited suicide and it was bad since they had no reason" is not a valid argument in any definition of the term. I could care less if you made moral arguments, but those are retarded, just don't use personal examples.

I don't really know anyone who commited suicide, but I don't really see what the problem is. Assuming no afterlife, the general purpose of life is to be content. If one is not content with their current lifestyle, they can either change it or die. If the former is not available... HOW ABOUT THE LATTER?

[Juuzou]

People who wish that people hadn't commit suicide are selfish. If that person wanted to die, it's their choice.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='~Belphagor' timestamp='1285209811' post='4647215']
People who wish that people hadn't commit suicide are selfish. If that person wanted to die, it's their choice.
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I wouldn't say you are wrong about that one....but still, what if your mother committed suicide, and she love you very much, she was very happy, and there really was no reason for them to commit suicide.

[Juuzou]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1285210038' post='4647226']
I wouldn't say you are wrong about that one....but still, what if your mother committed suicide, and she love you very much, she was very happy, and there really was no reason for them to commit suicide.
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...then it must have been murder.

Your missing one key fact in your argument: Human nature. The will of a human is to [b]live[/b]. One wouldn't kill themselves for no reason, or they must be a failure of the human species. One wouldn't kill themselves especially after conceiving a child, as long as they plan upon raising it.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='~Belphagor' timestamp='1285210185' post='4647233']
...then it must have been murder.

Your missing one key fact in your argument: Human nature. The will of a human is to [b]live[/b]. One wouldn't kill themselves for no reason, or they must be a failure of the human species. One wouldn't kill themselves especially after conceiving a child, as long as they plan upon raising it.
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Oh? Depression and Drepression drugs could make you feel suicidal at times....

[Marisa Kirisame-ze]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1285206129' post='4647075']
She had you, she had herself and her beating heart...
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She did have me and I wasn't enough. Not through her mind, but through my own. I never knew she would commit suicide, it's as if I was scared of the thought. If I knew, maybe she'd be here right now and I regret it deeply.

Though I knew she was always thinking of her family first, who wanted nothing more but to throw her away. She was only trying to string her family back together, but that never worked, and in the end, she was told to kill herself from her family members, and so she did. But oh, it's not that simple. So others who are reading this, don't you dare go against it.

Her life was like a pawn. Even though she had herself, all she ever wanted to do was to make [i]others[/i] happy.

[.Starrk]

This thread made me sad.

[Nura]

5 Different mods already posted here?(Wowz)

At above, I understand, Then navigate away.

Suicide is yeah another thing that can take people away, but there are many causes too.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I believe that people who suicide didn't have the right to live from the start.

[Cin]

Are you sure you have the right to live?

I suppose the listed reason someone mentioned about disliking humanity, I get that alot lately, luckily it was never when I was suicidal.

[Icy]

[quote name='=The End Gamer=' timestamp='1285244023' post='4647699']
I believe that people who suicide didn't have the right to live from the start.
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Amazingly good counter for positive people who have said thoughts. Not so much for others...

[Inferno I20]

It is "technically" their right since you know it is their own life and they can do whatever it is they want.

[b]However[/b], most of the time suicidal victims are too caught up in their thoughts of suicide that they just seem to forget everything else about the world. They forget about the things they are actually worth living and dying for, but they are too clouded in the mind. That's just my opinion.

[CinnamonStar]

[quote name='Inferno I20' timestamp='1285270070' post='4648440']
[b]However[/b], most of the time suicidal victims are too caught up in their thoughts of suicide that they just seem to forget everything else about the world. They forget about the things they are actually worth living and dying for.
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Yeah that's a good way to word it.
It doesn't mean that they're close-minded or can't look past their own garden/own outlook (though many times it is) but sometimes their problems just take the whole plate that you can't move beyond it.

I don't think we have the right to live or not, the fact that we're alive is just a big massive coincidence. I've had a lot of problems dealing with the idea, not only because I'm adopted (never cared much about it) but because the entire principle is...well logical but cruel. Just like most things in nature are logical, they get the world around but cruel as crap. It doesn't make sense but I've really struggled with this as a child. Plus I had problems imagining that this is me moving around, you know, more like motorical stuff, and for years I was scared that I'm alive, feeling movements and being conscient but as long as you don't think too much about it, or any other things, it's all fine.

[Smear]

I've thought about suicide several times.
And I'm 13.
But what keeps me going in my friends and family. <3

lolcheesy.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

I say why try figuring out what they were thinking when they did it, really i mean it.
Everyone thinks differently and no matter how close one thinks to another they will still never fully understand. The end result may be the same but that does not mean the cause is the same.