http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Machina_Cannon [Manga]

[.Nu-13]

Again, whatisthisidon'teven. Discuss

[Manjoume Thunder]

It's better than Force by a long shot. Love the level. It may lead to some interesting Trade-In abuse.

[.Nu-13]

If it's released...

[Mehmani]

loltradein

Meh, it's a good Fortress target and it plays better than Force. Nice card, a worthy addition to Machina decks if it's released.

[Toffee.]

So... with the right hand combination, the ATK of this card could easily go over 12,000? And as its [i]base[/i] ATK?

[Zauls]

I'd run 3 and a couple of Trade-Ins. Would definitely make Machinas even faster than they already are or need to be. It is too much loss of card advantage to actually summon though.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='}~Gob~Zom~{' timestamp='1285790930' post='4666875']
It is too much loss of card advantage to actually summon though.
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English rulings:
You can discard itself as part of its cost, to summon it that way.

So you only -2(derp, fortress is a -1) to summon something with 12,000 ATK.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1285793037' post='4666980']
English rulings:
You can discard itself as part of its cost, to summon it that way.

So you only -2(derp, fortress is a -1) to summon something with 12,000 ATK.
[/quote]

Am I missing something? >_>; This is the card we're talking about right? This "Machina Cannon?" The wiki effect states:

[i]This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by sending 3 or more "Machina" monsters from your hand to the Graveyard. This card's ATK is equal to the number of cards sent to the Graveyard x 800.[/i]

1) You must send 3 or more "Machina" monster to Special Summon this card... [b]from the hand[/b]. This card cannot be Special Summoned from the hand if you try to discard it as a cost for its own summon. Therefore, you cannot discard Machina Cannon for the cost of its own summon with the way it is worded there.

2) It ATK becomes equal to 800 x the number of [b]sent[/b] cards that was used to Special Summon it. Therefore, if you discarded 3 to Special Summon it, it has 2400 ATK. Discard 4 from the hand and it has 3200 ATK.. etc. I'm not sure where 12000 comes into the equation.

imo, its better than Machina Force because it may have a use outside of Fortress Fodder and that it is level 8 as well, making it a Trade-In Target, but that's about it. Unless you guys are seeing something i'm not seeing, I don't see this as particularly useful at all x.o;

[Just Crouton]

This needs it's own deck focused on alot of draw power for a massive dump, Gearframe's search power, and Limiter Removal. Machina Cannon OTK?

[Azuh]

Sweet Gotta love new Machina cards. Also, random that Jin uses Machinas though >_>

[-Berserker-]

I would rather use Montage...