Necrovalley [Newest errata]

[.Nu-13]

[i]Necrovalley
Field Spell Card
All "Gravekeeper's" monsters gain 500 ATK and DEF. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be removed from play. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be affected by card effects, except for their own effects[/i]

Finally, that Rekindling conflict is cleared up So, basically, now Necrovalley is awesome. Discuss

[~British Soul~]

that makes cards like monster reborn, gigaplant etc. obselite

[Azuh]

We are now finally, after around 5 reprints back on track with Necrovalley with the OCG

Fantastic

[Buttercup]

Yay my TU02 cards are out of date after a year

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

yay, GK's became pro.

i'd prob still use my DR1 supers though

[Fraz]

[quote name='$super**$star**$silver$' timestamp='1287225170' post='4708910']
that makes cards like monster reborn, gigaplant etc. obselite
[/quote]
Normal summon gigaplant and activate its effect, chain torrential, resolve chains, gigaplant summons itself from grave o.o
I''m also liking the whole colossal fighter can now target itself thing.

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='Fraz' timestamp='1287229468' post='4708952']
Normal summon gigaplant and activate its effect, chain torrential, resolve chains, gigaplant summons itself from grave o.o
I''m also liking the whole colossal fighter can now target itself thing.
[/quote]
(necrovalley makes that comment obselite - lol) yea, because colossal fighter's effect activates in the grave and targets itself

[evilfusion]

I like this errata. It makes sense, makes rulings that much easier to understand and follow, and covers the exceptions that previously made Necrovalley confusing. As for the card itself, it's vital in Gravekeepers.

[Expelsword]

Stardust can still revive itself, so I'm not too worried, but Rekindling isn't gonna work now

[evilfusion]

I always felt any ruling that let a card affect other cards in the graveyard despite Necrovalley was complete BS, considering that Necrovalley more or less EXISTED to keep cards in the graveyard. I understand how cards affecting themselves can be exceptions, but the whole "target" vs "not target", for cards that revive/return from grave didn't make any sense.

[Canadian]

So wait, lazyness is kicking in, what exactly is the new ruling with cards like Rekindling and Reborn?

+1 rep for first person to explain.

[burnpsy]

[quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1287258236' post='4709948']
So wait, lazyness is kicking in, what exactly is the new ruling with cards like Rekindling and Reborn?
[/quote]

They both don't work.

[evilfusion]

[quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1287258236' post='4709948']
So wait, lazyness is kicking in, what exactly is the new ruling with cards like Rekindling and Reborn?

+1 rep for first person to explain.
[/quote]

When Necrovalley is in play, you can't use them, because they affect cards in the Graveyard, which Necrovalley prevents.

[Canadian]

I suppose this could be used as anti-meta as well as preservation for your grave with Startard, PSZ lightsworn zombie, but I wouldn't run it specifically for prevention.

I wonder if people will start siding this now than.

[evilfusion]

People are more likely to run Kycoo than Necrovalley if they're worried about the Graveyard. Necrovalley can screw you over and doesn't contribute to decks that don't involve Gravekeepers.

[Canadian]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287259554' post='4710037']
People are more likely to run Kycoo than Necrovalley if they're worried about the Graveyard. Necrovalley can screw you over and doesn't contribute to decks that don't involve Gravekeepers.
[/quote]

Other than Monster Rebord and CotH, how can it really screw you over unless your deck revolves around Grave stuff.

[evilfusion]

Well, of course it depends on the deck you're running, but I'm just saying that Kycoo is probably superior in terms of grave lockdown, being an 1800 Dark Spellcaster with the benefit of removing your opponent's monsters when it deals battle damage while preventing them from RFGing Grave cards, as opposed to a field spell that otherwise has no benefits aside from searchability.

In terms of anti-meta, I prefer Kycoo to Necrovalley if I don't run Gravekeepers.

[The ReBeL]

So Colossal Works still.

[Black W Mage]

[quote name='THe ReBeL' timestamp='1287293548' post='4711540']
So Colossal Works still.
[/quote]
I'm assuming no

[burnpsy]

[quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287293960' post='4711552']
I'm assuming no
[/quote]

It works, but only on itself.

[Black W Mage]

[quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287294700' post='4711574']
It works, but only on itself.
[/quote]
why would you choose anything else? I was really hoping it wouldn't .

[burnpsy]

[quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287294880' post='4711582']
why would you choose anything else?
[/quote]

Real life scenario:

My field:

Colossal Fighter

Opponent's field:

Goyo and some other strong Synchro I don't recall right now.

No backrows.

I don't think I need to explain.

[Azuh]

So when does this new errata come into action? Shouldn't Konami make a post about it?

[Legend Zero]

Does this mean all the original are tournament illegal? Or do you just have to remember the change in effect?

[-Griffin]

[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1287326073' post='4712046']
Does this mean all the original are tournament illegal? Or do you just have to remember the change in effect?
[/quote]

You just have to apply the new effect.