Exceed Summon

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292357531' post='4852374']
What good Level 4 can he revive?
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Doesn't need to be "good", just "okay".

Also, since the Summon negation negation rule is a [i]rule[/i], wouldn't that mean it's "speed spell infinite"?

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292354393' post='4852244']
Ok, from now, anyone who posts off-topic will be negged
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No one was posting off-topic until this very post. If you feel posts are off-topic or whatever such nonsense, just report it.

On the subject of those MtG cards: They're banned now, and I'm fairly sure they always have been. A few of them were joke cards though.

On the subject of Exceed Summons:

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292343301' post='4851883']
Due to the specific "must be same level" restrictions on each Overlay monster, level 5 and 7 will probably never be used, as that would require 5/7 level ones, with zero alternatives. Level 2, 4, 6, and 8 will be the most supported. Level 3 might still get something, due to using 3 level ones. No alternatives, but a lot easier to manage.
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Level 3s, 5s, and 7s wouldn't exist.

"at least 2 monsters must be Released"

Unanswered Question I still have:

[i]When an Excess Monster would be removed from the field by a card effect or by battle you can remove from play 1 Overlaid Monster on that card to prevent that Excess Monster from being removed[/i]
What if I choose to not protect it? Do the Overlaid Monsters still get RFG-ed?

Random thought:
Unless all the Exceed support comes with a "this card can not be used for a synchro summon" clause, then I can't see Exceed's being used too often. I'd much rather sacrifice protection over consistency any day of the week. The point of the game is to win. Not to 'not-lose".

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1292358456' post='4852415']
Level 3s, 5s, and 7s wouldn't exist.

"at least 2 monsters must be Released"
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For Level 3, you can Tribute 3 Level 1s

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1292358456' post='4852415']
[i]When an Excess Monster would be removed from the field by a card effect or by battle you can remove from play 1 Overlaid Monster on that card to prevent that Excess Monster from being removed[/i]
What if I choose to not protect it? Do the Overlaid Monsters still get RFG-ed?
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I guess that the monster itself and stacked cards are all sent to grave

Random thought:
ExceedMacro.dek
seriously

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1292358456' post='4852415']
[i]When an Excess Monster would be removed from the field by a card effect or by battle you can remove from play 1 Overlaid Monster on that card to prevent that Excess Monster from being removed[/i]
What if I choose to not protect it? Do the Overlaid Monsters still get RFG-ed?
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That's a good question. It might be mandatory. Or they might all be sent to the Grave. I would guess one or the other.

[.Nu-13]

A card guys at Pojo posted:

Data Inserter
[Wind/Psychic/LV2]
Effect: Once per turn you can discard 1 card to return a card of the same type from the field to the owner's hand (if the selected card is face-down reveal it and if it is not the same type as the discarded card it is returned to its face-down position). [b]If this card is Overlaid on an Excess Monster, that monster gains this card's effect.[/b]

I only care about bolded part. What if we actually get cards like this:

[HaouJudai]

I would bet tokens will work for the summon but they cease to exist after the summon. So the overlay zone is pretty much making our gameboard into another dimension.

you have a new layer of the game in which these overlays exist - tethered to our board by their excess monster. Affected only within the overlay mechanic by overlay tech cards.

so now we have a 2nd game board that sits invisibly under our current one. Instead of making a new zone like they did with the rfp zone - now we have an entire board.

I flipping love this mechanic. And they ripped it off an obsolete card game that's dead now. (raises arm) BRILLANT!!!!!!!

ok now if we only had a main character who in some way appeals to the beyblade crowd.. hmmm hmmmm

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292358928' post='4852436']
I would bet tokens will work for the summon but they cease to exist after the summon. So the overlay zone is pretty much making our gameboard into another dimension.

you have a new layer of the game in which these overlays exist - tethered to our board by their excess monster. Affected only within the overlay mechanic by overlay tech cards.

so now we have a 2nd game board that sits invisibly under our current one. Instead of making a new zone like they did with the rfp zone - now we have an entire board.

I flipping love this mechanic. And they ripped it off an obsolete card game that's dead now. (raises arm) BRILLANT!!!!!!!

ok now if we only had a main character who in some way appeals to the beyblade crowd.. hmmm hmmmm
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You know that you only put the Overlaid cards under the monster? They don't even leave the field

[HaouJudai]

for all intents and purposes they are not treated as being on the field - they only exist within the overlay mechanic - only the excess monster or overlay themed cards can impact them.

so from what I'm gathering they are sitting there like equip cards but you can't mst them - reason being they don't actually exist on the board - they exist in overlay land

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

@Chill: There will probably be something like that, or an Excess Monster that has an effect like "This card gains the Effect of its top Overlaid card".

On an unrelated note: Overlaying your opponent's cards would be funny. Especially if you were both using the same sleeves/no sleeves at all.

[.Nu-13]

Who knows? Maybe they'll still be treated as on the field?

[HaouJudai]

lol we are in speculation land! - I noticed that they can still be removed as a cost and it can't be negated WHICH MEANS

[spoiler=THIS!][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061226191532/yugioh/images/b/b2/LavaGolemPGD-EN-ScR.jpg[/img][/spoiler]

[Toffee.]

@Judai:
Its funny because the monsters you tribute for Golem would be placed under it.
OWAIT, ITS NOT AN EXCESS MONSTER.

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292358885' post='4852434']
A card guys at Pojo posted:

Data Inserter
[Wind/Psychic/LV2]
Effect: Once per turn you can discard 1 card to return a card of the same type from the field to the owner's hand (if the selected card is face-down reveal it and if it is not the same type as the discarded card it is returned to its face-down position). [b]If this card is Overlaid on an Excess Monster, that monster gains this card's effect.[/b]

I only care about bolded part. What if we actually get cards like this:
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I would not be surprised if Konami started making cards like this.
So pretty much its just a lazy version of Unions.

[Brinolovania]

They should make some good machine ones, so I can actually use them. Unlike synchros, which I can only use by Reborning my opponent's tuner. This does look very cool, though.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292348566' post='4852039']
Am I the only one here which actually LIKES the new concept?
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I do.

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292352344' post='4852167']
MTG even has a card with effect "You can't lose the game, and your opponent can't win the game"
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O_O
And my burgeoning interest in Magic is gone.

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1292358456' post='4852415']
On the subject of Exceed Summons: Level 3s, 5s, and 7s wouldn't exist.
"at least 2 monsters must be Released"
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I got it! Konami can create monsters with half-Levels!

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1292368848' post='4852955']
Why wouldn't those levels exist? It would just mean they require Monsters of different Levels for them to be Summoned with. At minimum it would look like: 4 + 3 for 7, 2 + 3 for 5, 1 + 2 for 3. They would be a bit harder to base a deck around, but it's not impossible in the slightest. Nowhere in those rules does it says the monsters have to have even, and especially not equal, levels. Just that the total has to be equal to the Excess Monster's Level.
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"Additionally, all monsters released must have the same Level as each other, and at least 2 monsters must be Released. For a Level 8 Excess Monster you must release either 2 Level 4 monsters, 4 Level 2 monsters or 8 Level 1 monsters."

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1292368848' post='4852955']
Why wouldn't those levels exist? It would just mean they require Monsters of different Levels for them to be Summoned with. At minimum it would look like: 4 + 3 for 7, 2 + 3 for 5, 1 + 2 for 3. They would be a bit harder to base a deck around, but it's not impossible in the slightest. Nowhere in those rules does it says the monsters have to have even, and especially not equal, levels. Just that the total has to be equal to the Excess Monster's Level.
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Look back at the front page. They say, specifically, that the monsters' Levels have to be equal.

"Additionally, all monsters released must have the same Level as each other, and at least 2 monsters must be Released. For a Level 8 Excess Monster you must release either 2 Level 4 monsters, 4 Level 2 monsters or 8 Level 1 monsters."

And I just realized that Delta Flyer might have a new use...

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Well, folks, that's why I'm the King of Mistakes. Glad to meet ya. In that case, the mechanic is even less powerful than I had thought it could be before. I would sure hope the real cards have some good effects.

[Black W Mage]

seems like a plausible mechanic though... if the monsters come from the extra deck or at the very least not from your hand.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

They come from your hand.

"Like regular Effect Monsters, Excess Monsters go in the deck and are summoned from the hand."

[evilfusion]

Being from the hand and consuming deck space is probably to counter the problem of the Exceed monsters being as troublingly flexible as Synchros.

[Just Crouton]

This overlaying reminds me of Duel Masters' evolution creatures...the Zextral character designs scream Duel Masters...

The only way Excess Monsters can be successful is if they unbanned Rescue Cat and made the game insanely faster. Also, they have to be way more broken than Synchros.

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292344210' post='4851909']
Off-Topic - Yusei believes in Nexus. What do you think the new guy believe in?
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Since these are "Excess" monstrers, I'm guessing the new guy believes in compulsive hoarding.
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[i][b]BELIEVE IN HOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDING!!![/b][/i][/size]

[/bad joke]

[Great Unclean One: VK]

So it's liek Ritual and tributing fused?

Doesn't sound worth it until they create a archtype i liek.

[Anbu-of-Sand]

[quote name='VK's Red Terror' timestamp='1292372914' post='4853142']
So it's liek Ritual and tributing fused?

Doesn't sound worth it until they create a archtype i liek.
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To be honest, they most likely will release an Archetype based off Excess, but it most likely also will have like 10 crappy cards and only like 2 good ones at the most. Only later on when Excess become nearly forgotten after their release they will start releasing some good cards that will work extremely well with the very first released Excess cards, in which when the price of those will rocket. That's how I see the release of this new Sub-Type happening anyways.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

You know, I'm now itching to make some...

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Well, still, 3's and 5's could exist. They would just be the hardest to use, since you need Level 1's. I can imagine "Excessive Enchanting".