~British Soul~ Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 for some unknown reason when black rose dragon's nuke effect resolved, the token died before the field spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 [quote name='$super**$star**$silver$' timestamp='1292489757' post='4856570'] for some unknown reason when black rose dragon's nuke effect resolved, the token died before the field spell [/quote] I think the tokens cannot be destroyed or negated in the same turn they are summoned maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1292490252' post='4856577'] I think the tokens cannot be destroyed or negated in the same turn they are summoned maybe [/quote] the summon of the tokens can't be negated, and i'm pretty sure they can't be beat in battle, but your life points still take a hit though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisu Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 Stardust VS this? *shot* Also, it better be nerfed. Everything else I have to say has been said. [As for Barbaros, would the token have 1900(It's 'Attack') or 3000(Original Attack)?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 [quote name='Bloodstained Ӄiva' timestamp='1292492821' post='4856594'] Stardust VS this? *shot* [/quote] Card says: that monster's Summon is negated Not even Stardust can negate it. [quote name='Bloodstained Ӄiva' timestamp='1292492821' post='4856594'] [As for Barbaros, would the token have 1900(It's 'Attack') or 3000(Original Attack)?] [/quote] Interesting question, but the card doesn't specify original ATK...so...it may be 1900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1292498398' post='4856624'] Interesting question, but the card doesn't specify original ATK...so...it may be 1900 [/quote] It negates the summon so it would be 3000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='Bloodstained Ӄiva' timestamp='1292492821' post='4856594'] Stardust VS this? *shot* Also, it better be nerfed. Everything else I have to say has been said. [As for Barbaros, would the token have 1900(It's 'Attack') or 3000(Original Attack)?] [/quote] Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode can negate this card, it's basically the only one that can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1292439915' post='4854742'] It's so easy to shut down this card though. Just don't summon anything. ... On an unrelated note, what episode was this card used in? [/quote] Instead of replacing your monsters with Tokens, École de Zone just stopped you from Summoning monsters. I see this card as ideal in burn decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='Fraz' timestamp='1292541277' post='4857865'] It negates the summon so it would be 3000. [/quote] You are right...I'm silly SD/AM can negate things even if it is not summoned...wat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisu Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Any anti-destruction card can cripple this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1292546945' post='4858149'] You are right...I'm silly SD/AM can negate things even if it is not summoned...wat? [/quote] SD/AM is in play Opponent plays EdZ Negate OR SD/AM is in play EdZ is in play afterwards Player Summons Negate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1292551303' post='4858386'] SD/AM is in play Opponent plays EdZ Negate OR SD/AM is in play EdZ is in play afterwards Player Summons Negate [/quote] In that situation regular Stardust can negated it too... >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Extremely fun, but knowing Konami they would nerf it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1292556158' post='4858566'] In that situation regular Stardust can negated it too... >_< [/quote] Negated monster is not on the field, Stardust regular is powerless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Why are so many "counters" in the form of monsters "already on the field"? You can't make that assumption when discussing the counterability of this card. It was obviously made to appear uncounterable to monsters. The only monsters that can bypass this are monsters that cannot have their summons negated. At last check, that's Obelisk and Ra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1292595229' post='4859075'] Negated monster is not on the field, Stardust regular is powerless [/quote] wait you are contradicting yourself... You tell SDD/AM can negate the effect of ecole if it is activated or if its effect is activated while SDD/AM is on the field, well regular Stardust can do the same if he is on the field prior the activation of Ecole de Zone...chaining its effect to the destruction of a monster.... I have another doubt on that actually...since the negation and subsequent destruction is part of the effect that Special Summon the token, effect that it says it can't be negated...*brain is shutting off*...@_@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Worm Apocalypse get's rid of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1292597164' post='4859097'] wait you are contradicting yourself... You tell SDD/AM can negate the effect of ecole if it is activated or if its effect is activated while SDD/AM is on the field, well regular Stardust can do the same if he is on the field prior the activation of Ecole de Zone...chaining its effect to the destruction of a monster.... I have another doubt on that actually...since the negation and subsequent destruction is part of the effect that Special Summon the token, effect that it says it can't be negated...*brain is shutting off*...@_@ [/quote] Stardust requires the card that is being destroyed to be on the field... I'm not sure if the token negation clause prevents EdZ from being negated entirely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroLuneth Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Activate Cold Wave for shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 I laughed my ass off when that token slapped Akiza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 [quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1292683995' post='4861714'] I laughed my ass off when that token slapped Akiza. [/quote] Who didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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