Merci Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080607024332/yugioh/images/thumb/2/25/ChimeratechOverdragonGLD1-EN-GUR-LE.png/300px-ChimeratechOverdragonGLD1-EN-GUR-LE.png[/img] "Cyber Dragon" + 1 or more Machine-Type monsters This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. When this card is Fusion Summoned, send all other cards you control to the Graveyard. The original ATK and DEF of this card are each 800 x the number of Fusion Material Monsters used for its Fusion Summon. Each turn, this card can attack as many of your opponent's monsters as the number of Fusion Material Monsters used for its Fusion Summon.[/center] I have just made a calculation that the maximum Attack it can reach is [b]62400[/b]. That is, assuming that the player runs a deck of 80 cards and somehow draws Future Fusion and a card that sends the other Machines monsters in your hand back to the deck AND you run only Machine-Type monsters in your deck AND you run no other Spell/Trap card. Plus that Machine Attack-Doubling card, its attack reaches [b]14800[/b]. That's over [b]NINETY THOUSAND!!!!!!!!![/b] I like it. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1294037690' post='4908432'] I have just made a calculation that the maximum Attack it can reach is [b]62400[/b]. That is, assuming that the player runs a deck of 80 cards and somehow draws Future Fusion and a card that sends the other Machines monsters in your hand back to the deck AND you run only Machine-Type monsters in your deck AND you run no other Spell/Trap card. Plus that Machine Attack-Doubling card, its attack reaches [b]14800[/b]. That's over [b]NINETY THOUSAND!!!!!!!!![/b] I like it. Discuss. [/quote] Your calculations are illogical. 80 cards in deck, fine. But you draw 5 cards in your opening hand, plus one per turn. Future Fusion will then send every card in your deck for this. 1) Future Fusion did not fuse the Machines in your hand. 2) You have 0 cards in your deck, and 2 turns until you get Chimeratech. 3) Chimeratech wipes your field upon summon. It will die along with Future Fusion. So as you can see, that didn't work out well for your calculations. If you did Future Fusion + Overload Fusion after ditching the other machines from your hand, it would have 62,400, liike you said. However, 2x of 62400= 124,800 not 14,800. So your calculations just failed you. In addition, that's nowhere near the maximum ATK. Hypothetically, Power Bond + 79 Machines= 126,400. Power Bond + 78 Machines + Limiter Removal= 243,200 Even more hypothetically, you could fuse with 5 of your opponent's machines from your monster card zones, but that's getting TOO hypothetical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 YOUR INTELLIGENCE ALSO SURPRISING ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Wolf Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1294038884' post='4908439'] Your calculations are illogical. 80 cards in deck, fine. But you draw 5 cards in your opening hand, plus one per turn. Future Fusion will then send every card in your deck for this. 1) Future Fusion did not fuse the Machines in your hand. 2) You have 0 cards in your deck, and 2 turns until you get Chimeratech. 3) Chimeratech wipes your field upon summon. It will die along with Future Fusion. So as you can see, that didn't work out well for your calculations. If you did Future Fusion + Overload Fusion after ditching the other machines from your hand, it would have 62,400, liike you said. However, 2x of 62400= 124,800 not 14,800. So your calculations just failed you. In addition, that's nowhere near the maximum ATK. Hypothetically, Power Bond + 79 Machines= 126,400. Power Bond + 78 Machines + Limiter Removal= 243,200 Even more hypothetically, you could fuse with 5 of your opponent's machines from your monster card zones, but that's getting TOO hypothetical. [/quote] You forgot one thing Evil... ... ... ... ... THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF CARDS IN A DECK IS 60! Unless that changed without me knowing >.< (Yes, I'm slow on these things) Hmm, let's see Power Bond -Tch, hope your opponent doesn't have any defense or you're done before your next turn Power Bond + Limiter Removal - (Quote defense thing) Even if you somehow survive the damage, the monster goes down and you're left wide open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Cue "OVER 9000!!!" comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1294067903' post='4908883'] Cue "OVER 9000!!!" comments. [/quote] no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Eh, I just used the same numbers he did. I thought 80 card decks weren't legal, too. In any case, Chimeratech is blatantly an OTK card when all of the Fusions for the "archetype" are OTKish. Even Power Bonding 3 Machines gives you a 4800 triple (monsters only) attacker. Without this, Overload Fusion would be...actually really stupid of a card, as Konami seems dedicated to never making another DARK Machine Fusion. What I'd want is a DARK Machine Synchro Fusion. Then it could use both Overload or Miracle Synchro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 1: 60 cards max in deck 2: Synchros and Fusions can still count. But forget this whole math problem. Chimeratech OverDragon (and probably also FGD) are the cards keeping Future Fusion from being allowed to be run at 3. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 And since Future Fusion is the card making FGD amazing, and Chimeratech + Overload is what makes Future Fusion amazing there, it's hard to say whether any of those two fusions will get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC2OLlXyFjU /topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I suppose nobody checks the strategy section often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1294087731' post='4909284'] I suppose nobody checks the strategy section often. [/quote] Yeah, that's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 ITT: 14,000 > 90,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthmunchy Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I LIKE CRYSTAL BEASTS THE BEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='darthmunchy' timestamp='1294089160' post='4909338'] I LIKE CRYSTAL BEASTS THE BEST [/quote] OMG Rebel 2 started to become a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='=Evangelion=' timestamp='1294092944' post='4909528'] OMG Rebel 2 started to become a troll. [/quote] He wasn't already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 60 card max. > Draw 6 (with the luck of having [b]Future Fusion, Overload Fusion, Magical Stone Excavation, and Limiter Removal[/b]) > Instant Fusion into a Machine + Future Fusion's 54 monsters left in the Deck (Cyber Dragon included) = 55 > Overload Fusion makes a 55x800=44000 ATK x2 (Limiter Removal)= 88000 > Magical Stone Excavation to get back Limiter Removal for re-use = 196000 ATK (pretty impossible to achieve) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='sleepy' timestamp='1294093105' post='4909537'] 60 card max. > Draw 6 (with the luck of having [b]Future Fusion, Overload Fusion, Magical Stone Excavation, and Limiter Removal[/b]) > Instant Fusion into a Machine + Future Fusion's 54 monsters left in the Deck (Cyber Dragon included) = 55 > Overload Fusion makes a 55x800=44000 ATK x2 (Limiter Removal)= 88000 > Magical Stone Excavation to get back Limiter Removal for re-use = 196000 ATK (pretty impossible to achieve) [/quote] [img]http://i56.tinypic.com/qp1bud.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='!' timestamp='1294093017' post='4909532'] He wasn't already? [/quote] No, I meant that he started to ignorantly copycat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 [quote name='=Evangelion=' timestamp='1294093827' post='4909582'] No, I meant that he started to ignorantly copycat us. [/quote] Ah. Gotcha.[quote name='sleepy' timestamp='1294093105' post='4909537'] 60 card max. > Draw 6 (with the luck of having [b]Future Fusion, Overload Fusion, Magical Stone Excavation, and Limiter Removal[/b]) > Instant Fusion into a Machine + Future Fusion's 54 monsters left in the Deck (Cyber Dragon included) = 55 > Overload Fusion makes a 55x800=44000 ATK x2 (Limiter Removal)= 88000 > Magical Stone Excavation to get back Limiter Removal for re-use = 196000 ATK (pretty impossible to achieve) [/quote] A message for you from RobotBowtie: [quote name='RobotBowtieOfDestruction' timestamp='1294097777'] your math was off a ) you can't draw 4 spells plus insta fusion and use all but stone and then use stone bcas you would only have 1 other left in hand b ) It's more ATK bcas stone discards 2 machines.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthmunchy Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I SPECIAL SUMMON MY CYBER DRAGON AND THEN I CAN USE THE EFFECT OF THE CHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGON IN MY EXTRA DECK TO SEND ALL MACHINE TYPE MONSTERS ON THE FIELD TO THE GRAVEYARD SUMMONING CHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGON WITH 2000 ATTACK POINTS BUT THEN I ATTACK DIRECTLY FOR 2000 LIFE POINT DAMAGE DUE TO MY 2000 ATTACK POINTS ATTACKING FOR GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote name='!' timestamp='1294093290' post='4909550'] [img]http://i56.tinypic.com/qp1bud.jpg[/img] [/quote] I think I know where you got that. =3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I have this......but it's only Rare. Gold Rare looks epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 60 is the maximum? In one of those Yu-Gi-Oh! PS2 games, the maximum was 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote name='!' timestamp='1294097941' post='4909710'] A message for you from RobotBowtie: your math was off a ) you can't draw 4 spells plus insta fusion and use all but stone and then use stone bcas you would only have 1 other left in hand b ) It's more ATK bcas stone discards 2 machines. [/quote] oh... ups... ^^" Then forget about instant Fusion doesn't do much of a difference in ATK anyways xD 54 x 800 = 43200 x 2 x 2 = 172800 actually, cratch that (minus a x2 and goes back to 86400 ATK). New idea. Forget the "Magical Stone Excavation" part and use the remaining 3 cards for Grinder Golem, Darkworld Shackles, and Heart of Clear Water for an attack target that will actually stand all of Chimeratech's attacks. 86400 x 54 attacks - 100 x 54 attacks = 4660200 damage. (too excessive, but you never know when you'll need to play against more than 500 opponent's at once) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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