Mehmani Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Chimeratech Fortress Dragon should be banned. It is terrible for the game, kills an entire type and makes you feel cheated if you lose to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Agreed. It essentially punishes a player for playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 TBH, if Chimeratech Fortress Dragon was banned, Machina Gadgets and the like would gain more popularity due to their key weakness being killed. Though, people would just side System Down if they really were hit by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birkeland Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wishful thinking at best. Resembles a trolling banlist, right? [b]Banned[/b]: Mind Master Treeborn Frog Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Chimeratech Overdragon Cold Wave Dark Hole Monster Reborn Royal Tribute Black Whirlwind [b]Limited:[/b] Machina Gearframe Magician of Faith Gateway of the Six [b]Semi-Limited:[/b] Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Necro Gardna Advanced Ritual Art Pot of Duality Solemn Warning [b]Unlimited:[/b] BTH Skill Drain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [spoiler=UTTERLY HORRIBLE List Attempt]Banned: Mass Driver Mind Master Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Cold Wave Royal Tribute Black Whirlwind Limited: Chimeratech Overdragon Destiny Hero - Malicious Five-Headed Dragon Magician of Faith Gateway of the Six Worm Zero Honest Lonefire Blossom Semi-Limited: Card Trooper Ceasefire Unlimited: Metamorphosis Chaos Sorcerer Advanced Ritual Art Gold Sarcophagus Bottomless Trap Hole Skill Drain Magical Stone Excavation Mystical Space Typhoon Ojama Trio Snipe Hunter Ultimate Offering Royal Oppression Scapegoat Solemn Judgment Gravity Bind Level Limit - Area B Marshmallon Spirit Reaper Swords of Revealing Light Solemn Judgment Emergency Teleport[/spoiler] OK guys, how badly did I fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1295741978' post='4952885'] [spoiler=UTTERLY HORRIBLE List Attempt]Banned: Mass Driver Mind Master Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Cold Wave Royal Tribute Black Whirlwind Symbols of Heritage Limited: Chimeratech Overdragon Destiny Hero - Malicious Five-Headed Dragon Magician of Faith Gateway of the Six Worm Zero Honest Lonefire Blossom Semi-Limited: Card Trooper Ceasefire Unlimited: Metamorphosis Chaos Sorcerer Advanced Ritual Art Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier Gold Sarcophagus Bottomless Trap Hole Skill Drain Magical Stone Excavation Mystical Space Typhoon Ojama Trio Snipe Hunter Ultimate Offering Royal Oppression Scapegoat Solemn Judgment Gravity Bind Level Limit - Area B Marshmallon Spirit Reaper Swords of Revealing Light Solemn Judgment Snipe Hunter Emergency Teleport[/spoiler] OK guys, how badly did I fail? [/quote] You unlimited Dewloren. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295742360' post='4952907'] You unlimited Dewloren. Seriously. [/quote] But I banned Symbols - the loop is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1295742597' post='4952922'] But I banned Symbols - the loop is gone. [/quote] Touché. But as Symbols does nothing wrong then why ban it? It's too drastic. Semi-limiting something is less of a big deal than banning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295742790' post='4952933'] Touché. But as Symbols does nothing wrong then why ban it? It's too drastic. Semi-limiting something is less of a big deal than banning it. [/quote] It was mainly because the only use people every find for Symbols is infinite summon loops. Sorta like Mass Driver. But OK. *undoes every change related to Symbols* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Anybody else think that Dark Armed Dragon should be banned? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='ekikin' timestamp='1295739396' post='4952760'] Wishful thinking at best. Resembles a trolling banlist, right? [b]Banned[/b]: Mind Master [b]Easy OTK, so sure[/b] Treeborn Frog [b]Infinite Tribute Folder, so needs to go[/b] Chimeratech Fortress Dragon [b]Kill a whole type, so yes[/b] Chimeratech Overdragon [b]Exists only to otk, it goes[/b] Cold Wave [b]I'm not sure[/b] Dark Hole [b]Of course[/b] Monster Reborn [b]See above[/b] Royal Tribute [b]Why?[/b] Black Whirlwind [b]I've said why already[/b] [b]Limited:[/b] Machina Gearframe [b]He can't search himself, so no reason to put him to 1 unless he has a problem Machina card that he can search[/b] Magician of Faith [b]With most broken spells gone no reason this can't go to 3[/b] Gateway of the Six [b]Way for easy card advantage. It's a lot like BWW and can go to zero[/b] [b]Semi-Limited:[/b] Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Necro Gardna Advanced Ritual Art Pot of Duality [b]It's Pot of Greed only you trade a second card for you choice of 3 and you can't special summon for a turn. Should be at 0.[/b] Solemn Warning [b]Unlimited:[/b] BTH Skill Drain [/quote] Cards being at 2 change almost nothing about them, so really their is little need for it. [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1295756496' post='4953505'] Anybody else think that Dark Armed Dragon should be banned? I do. [/quote] Sure, it's been needing a ban since it first came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1295741978' post='4952885'] Banned: Mass Driver [b]ok[/b] Mind Master [b]ok[/b] Chimeratech Fortress Dragon [b]How does this warrant a Ban...[/b] Cold Wave [b]sure[/b] Royal Tribute [b]Not sure whether it should be banned, but at most 1, so ok.[/b] Black Whirlwind [b]agreed[/b] Limited: Chimeratech Overdragon [b]putting it at one doesn't stop the abuse. Future fusion is the real problem[/b] Destiny Hero - Malicious [b]at 1 its totally useless, its fair at 2.[/b] Five-Headed Dragon [b]same logic as overdragon[/b] Magician of Faith [b]I'd like this[/b] Gateway of the Six [b]It's BWW on crack. go to 0.[/b] Worm Zero [b]what?[/b] Honest [b]not a problem at 2, so why go down to 1?[/b] Lonefire Blossom [b]I like this.[/b] Semi-Limited: Card Trooper [b]Trying to explain why I dislike this is hard. Its just better at 1.[/b] Ceasefire [b]Too much of a burn card made more consistant? Doing nothing at 1 is fine.[/b] Unlimited: Metamorphosis [b]Are you kidding me?[/b] Chaos Sorcerer [b]I'd like this[/b] Advanced Ritual Art [b]I'd love this[/b] Gold Sarcophagus [b]Sure[/b] Bottomless Trap Hole [b]Sure[/b] Skill Drain [b]Sure[/b] Magical Stone Excavation [b]Sure[/b] Mystical Space Typhoon [b]Sure[/b] Ojama Trio [b]3 would be way to much and far too consistant[/b] Snipe Hunter [b]This is fine[/b] Ultimate Offering [b]Sure[/b] Royal Oppression [b]No[/b] Scapegoat [b]No[/b] Solemn Judgment [b]I wish, but no.[/b] Gravity Bind [b]What?[/b] Level Limit - Area B [b]wut?[/b] Marshmallon [b]o.o?[/b] Spirit Reaper [b]Are you trying to make Stall Burn Meta?[/b] Swords of Revealing Light [b]Oh god.[/b] Emergency Teleport [b]Sure, and support![/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathos Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I'm all for Swords of Revealing Light being unlimited. Weather Report goes pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Overload Fusion should be at 3. Its only good target is Overdragon and that should be banned anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote]Limited: Chimeratech Overdragon [...] Five-Headed Dragon [...] Worm Zero [/quote] Why are these limited? You only need one to do their respective OTK's anyway. It doesn't make their OTK any less difficult to pull off. [quote]Lonefire Blossom[/quote] What are you intending to stop here? Furthermore, if it's just one target then isn't it possible to just ban the single target that gives you a problem? [quote]Unlimited: Chaos Sorcerer[/quote] It's a free +1, once per turn, every turn as long as it's face up on the field. It's also a level 6, in the age of Synchros. It's also in a meta where getting light monsters and dark monsters into the grave is amazingly easy (Lightsworn and Armageddon Knight + Dark Grepher + Destiny Draw) You want to unlimit that? Terrible, TERRIBLE idea. The biggest problem on your fake list. [quote]Advanced Ritual Art[/quote] And yet Demise is at 3.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote]Semi-Limited:[/quote] stop using this ekikin's list was good until he introduced semi-limits @Pika: (Regarding Lonefire @1) [quote]What are you intending to stop here? Furthermore, if it's just one target then isn't it possible to just ban the single target that gives you a problem?[/quote] As long as there is a Lonefire in your deck, you can use another one and any revival card to start a combo that will give you almost any big anime synchro, colossal arm otk, or a [s]hundred billion[/s] lot of cards. Lonefire to 1 is the only thing that Konami can do to Debris decks without getting retarded. @Flame Dragon: [quote]Cold Wave I'm not sure Royal Tribute Why? Pot of Duality It's Pot of Greed only you trade a second card for you choice of 3 and you can't special summon for a turn. Should be at 0.[/quote] Go away. @burnpsy: stall much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Guys. I admitted that it sucked as I posted it. I was merely asking how badly I screwed up. Yeah, I agree with pretty much every point that was raised in response. Also, the Lonefire to 1 thing was merely because people always go Lonefire -> Lonefire -> Monster. I'd think that removing that slight bit of skill-less and cost-less deck-thinning would be a good thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I lol'd when flame dragon said maybe to banning Cold Wave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy list'] Banned: Mass Driver No Mind Master Yes Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Yes Cold Wave Yes Royal Tribute Yes Black Whirlwind Yes Symbols of Heritage No Limited: Chimeratech Overdragon No Destiny Hero - Malicious No Five-Headed Dragon No Magician of Faith Yes Gateway of the Six Yes Worm Zero No Honest Maybe Lonefire Blossom Maybe Semi-Limited: Card Trooper No Ceasefire Maybe Unlimited: Metamorphosis No Chaos Sorcerer Maybe Advanced Ritual Art Yes Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier No Gold Sarcophagus Yes Bottomless Trap Hole Yes Skill Drain Yes Magical Stone Excavation Yes Mystical Space Typhoon Yes Ojama Trio Yes Snipe Hunter Yes Ultimate Offering Yes Royal Oppression No Scapegoat No Solemn Judgment No Gravity Bind No Level Limit - Area B No Marshmallon No Spirit Reaper No Swords of Revealing Light No Emergency Teleport No [/quote] What, you want Final Countdown Meta or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Good Countdown doesn't run any of that stall that Burnspy unlimited (although it still shouldn't be unlimited) - that slow-stall is stupidly easy to side against. It basically loses to Scrap Dragon in any Deck that can gain advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1295779123' post='4953999'] Good Countdown doesn't run any of that stall that Burnspy unlimited (although it still shouldn't be unlimited) [/quote] This is precisely why my failure of a list didn't ban Countdown (I'd thought of that too...). Meh, I'll redo it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Juust because I feel like it, I'll respond to various ideas I saw among the last two pages and maybe add more at the end. [quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1295711003' post='4951358'] Ban Cold wave, Reborn and Gateway Limit Darksoul/Troll and Debris Unlimit Skill Drain and bottomless [/quote] Personally, I think you should limit Troll and Darksoul rather than one or the other. This suggestion actually looks good. [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295735510' post='4952607'] Chimeratech Fortress Dragon should be banned. It is terrible for the game, kills an entire type and makes you feel cheated if you lose to it. [/quote] Pretty much. [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1295738209' post='4952704'] TBH, if Chimeratech Fortress Dragon was banned, Machina Gadgets and the like would gain more popularity due to their key weakness being killed. Though, people would just side System Down if they really were hit by it. [/quote] They made System Down for a reason, but nobody uses it because of Chimeratech Fortress Dragon. Ban Chimeratech Fortress Dragon and people will probably start using System Down again (if Machinas are really so much a threat as you claim). [quote name='ekikin' timestamp='1295739396' post='4952760'] Wishful thinking at best. Resembles a trolling banlist, right? [b]Banned[/b]: Mind Master Treeborn Frog Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Chimeratech Overdragon Cold Wave Dark Hole Monster Reborn Royal Tribute Black Whirlwind [b]Limited:[/b] Machina Gearframe [b]He doesn't combo with himself, so why?[/b] Magician of Faith [b]If the banworthy spells are gone, this can go to 3[/b] Gateway of the Six [b]No, just ban it[/b] [b]Semi-Limited: Almost no point except for monsters that can be abused at 3 with Symbols of Heritage or Machine Duplication. Re-sort all of these.[/b] Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Necro Gardna Advanced Ritual Art [b]3, ban Demise. My jury isn't sure about the others.[/b] Pot of Duality Solemn Warning [b]Unlimited:[/b] BTH Skill Drain [/quote] If I didn't respond to it, it means I agree. [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1295768682' post='4953803'] Overload Fusion should be at 3. Its only good target is Overdragon and that should be banned anyway. [/quote] Word. [quote name-'Burnpsy's list'] Banned: Mass Driver Mind Master Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Cold Wave Royal Tribute Black Whirlwind Limited: Chimeratech Overdragon [b]Only need one for Future Fusion. Waiting two turns for Overload Fusion and 800 more ATK points isn't that great of a play. Ban this.[/b] Destiny Hero - Malicious Five-Headed Dragon [b]The only point is to say no to Future Fusioning it and Dragon's Mirroring it if done in inverse order or if two are needed in two turs. Either way, I don't see the point.[/b] Magician of Faith [b]If the banworthy spells are banned, this goes to 3.[/b] Gateway of the Six [b]Ban this.[/b] Worm Zero [b]No point: the only card that people use to summon it is Future Fusion, which only requires one and ditches all the worms for Worm Victory OTK. Sounds like we should just ban Future Fusion instead.[/b] Honest Lonefire Blossom Semi-Limited: Card Trooper Ceasefire [b]I'm not too convinced. This still can be a lot of burn on one card. On average, with a field of two monsters each, 2000 points. If either or both players have three, that's 2500 or 3000. It's a chainable -1, so don't use the Magic Cylinder "You Suck At Yugioh!" argument for this card. I guess we can try it out.[/b] Unlimited: Metamorphosis Chaos Sorcerer [b]Hell no! In most cases an easy to special summon level 6 monster with a +1 monster effect. I still can't believe it even got off the banlist.[/b] Advanced Ritual Art Gold Sarcophagus Bottomless Trap Hole Skill Drain Magical Stone Excavation Mystical Space Typhoon Ojama Trio [b]Maybe....[/b] Snipe Hunter Ultimate Offering Royal Oppression [b]Now you're just making me feel a little queasy. As much as I am for reducing Special Summoning in the game (which hopeful this would do), it almost cancels out Special Summoning completely at 3. Even Blackwings ran Oppressions to maintain control of the game.[/b] Scapegoat [b]I'm not sure on that. An instant +3?[/b] Solemn Judgment [b]Half your Life Points is always payable, and this stops everything Solemn Warning doesn't and some that it does. As much as I don't like how easy to use and powerful this card is, I guess maybe I could see a format with this at 3. It would certainly prevent slippery slope games.[/b] Gravity Bind [b]This and the next four are too much stall. A deck shouldn't have to load itself with tons of destruction cards just to deal with the stall cards in a format.[/b] Level Limit - Area B Marshmallon Spirit Reaper Swords of Revealing Light Solemn Judgment [b]Didn't I see this earlier on the list?[/b] Emergency Teleport [/quote] I agree with the rest. Rather spend too much time thinking about more cards for the list, I'll just post this one more idea burnpsy thought about, since I agree: Banned [b]Final Countdown[/b] - heck, the deck can even be built without Continuous stall cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1295770875' post='4953843'] @Flame Dragon: Go away. [/quote] Um....no. Give me reason for wanting Royal banned and Pot of Duality at 3. I never heard any talk about Royal being bad so I can only assume that is coming from the new meta, something I have no knowledge of. As for Duality give me a reason what good it brings to the game. All I see is it makes deck sizes 37. [quote name='Placido.' timestamp='1295778037' post='4953976'] I lol'd when flame dragon said maybe to banning Cold Wave [/quote] As I've said I've stopped following the meta and while I remember Cold Wave did have some hate before I stopped really following the game I didn't remember it being this bad. I can understand it being banned since it promotes OTKs but in a good list where that isn't as large an issue as it is now. In the end it doesn't big much good to the game and since it's main use is for pushing for game, yea it can be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Why post in a banlist topic and post fixes when you have no idea what the current meta is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Placido.' timestamp='1295813130' post='4954925'] Why post in a banlist topic and post fixes when you have no idea what the current meta is? [/quote] I never really followed the meta game, but I've always been relatively active in ban list threads. This is because the current meta means nothing since when you make a proper ban list since the whole meta game changes and the rules you've been playing by are thrown out the window. Plus a lot of card are just clearly bad for the game and you don't need meta knowledge to know that things like DAD, JD, BWW, DH, and so forth need to go. Just because I feel like shairing, this is an old list of cards I have down as needing to be banned. [spoiler=List] All-Out Attacks Arcana Force EX - The Dark Ruler Arcana Force XXI – The World Armed Samurai – Ben-Kei Battle Mania Black Whirlwind Blackwing Armor Master Blackwing - Vayu The Emblem of Honor Breaker the Magical Warrior Brionic, Dragon of the Ice Barrier Call of the Hunted Celestia, Lightsworn Angel Chaos Sorcerer Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Chimeratech Overdragon Cyber Dragon Cyber End Dragon Cyber Twin Dragon Dark Armed Dragon Darklord Zerato Deck Devastation Virus Demise, King of Armageddon Elemental Hero Stratos Eradicator Epidemic Virus Evil Hero Dark Gaia Exodia the Forbidden One Five Headed Dragon Gladiator Beast Gyzarus Gorz the Emissary of Darkness Goyo Guardian Imperial Iron Wall Inferno Tempest Judgment Dragon Life Equalizer Limiter Removal Mage Power Magic Cylinder Magical Explosion Megamorph Mind Master Morphing Jar Nobleman of Crossout Pot of Duality Power Bond Raging Mad Plants Rekindling Return from the Different Dimension Reversal Quiz Sangan Self-Destruct Button Sky Scourge Norleras Snipe Hunter Solidarity Stardust Dragon Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth Trap Dustshoot Treeborn Frog Ultimate Offering United We Stand Wave-Motion Cannon Wulf, Lightsworn Beast XX-Saber Faultroll XX-Saber Hyunlei [/spoiler] Don't feel like defending all of it, but it might be interesting for people to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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