Anbu-of-Sand Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Nexus Penguin' timestamp='1297811208' post='5011098'] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061226053609/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d2/ShapesnatchPGD-EN-C.jpg/300px-ShapesnatchPGD-EN-C.jpg[/img] [/quote] How could I have forgot ze Vanillas D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 ^[spoiler=This is yellow] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090619155831/yugioh/images/thumb/a/ad/TheWingedDragonofRaGBI-AE-UR-UE.png/300px-TheWingedDragonofRaGBI-AE-UR-UE.png[/img][/spoiler] [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1297815245' post='5011260'] I'd like to draw your attention to the cover card of EXVC and TAEV. [/quote] Touche. Though I don't think they would kick off a whole series with a crap card. That last 3 kick off cards were: Blue Eyes White Dragon, Elemental Hero Flame Wingman and Stardust Dragon. Those were all good cards for their time (Now, for Stardust). The first Synchro pack had Stardust Dragon, Red Dragon Archfiend, Goyo Guardian, Magical Android and Thought Ruler Archfiend which are all cards that are still seen in Extra Decks today. I'm expecting Goyo level broken from the 1st Excess monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I thought Ancient Gear Golem was TLM's cover card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Woa wait, you don't need anything special to Exceed summon, just say "oh I'ma Exceed summon right now"? OJAMAS WOOHOO!!!! LEVEL 10 FTW! also, what happens when the materials are removed, are they considered destroyed or sent to the graveyard? if it is the former, CRYSTAL BEASTS WOOHOO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1297816447' post='5011306'] I thought Ancient Gear Golem was TLM's cover card. [/quote] Welp, I lose. Dern crap memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1297816728' post='5011313'] Woa wait, you don't need anything special to Exceed summon, just say "oh I'ma Exceed summon right now"? OJAMAS WOOHOO!!!! LEVEL 10 FTW! also, what happens when the materials are removed, are they considered destroyed or sent to the graveyard? if it is the former, CRYSTAL BEASTS WOOHOO!!! [/quote] Well, if we go by the previous information we were given, when the Excess Monster would be destroyed you remove from play an overlaid monster... In other cases I guess they would be "sent to the Graveyad". So either way, CBs wouldn't be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbu-of-Sand Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Oh, and I'm to lazy to read through the thread to see if this has already been answered, but has it yet been confirmed if you can Overlay Tokens to Excess Monsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ｎｏ．１７ リバイス・ドラゴン Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1297815245' post='5011260'] I'd like to draw your attention to the cover card of EXVC and TAEV. [/quote] Woah. You think Junk Berserker is bad? I think you need a lesson in Yugiohs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 It's poor design to make the odd numbered levels unusable. Really, all this seems to be is a new take on synchros so it has a been there, done that feeling imo. Also, I'm hoping there will be some other kind of restrictions cause just having out two level 3 or 4 monsters is hardly hard. If they don't they will have the same problem as the generic synchros meaning their is a very real risk of them being overpowered. Not to mention the extra deck is already pressed for space so adding another card type to go in there isn't going to help things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Nauske' timestamp='1297821123' post='5011456'] Woah. You think Junk Berserker is bad? I think you need a lesson in Yugiohs. [/quote] It's a decent card, and probably good in Junk decks, but it's a disappointing cover card, if nothing else. For one, the duel it was featured in, it didn't accomplish a thing. I don't know why Berserker is the cover card when there are so many other cards in EXVC that could have that title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Honestly, this is really annoying me. Please tell me how the Extra Deck is "cramped". Just use the cards you plan on using the most, and then add in others for just in case. If you can't do that, then you're building your deck too broadly and deserve to suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Endless Nightmares' timestamp='1297799107' post='5010651'] At the moment Exceeds suck monkey nuts [/quote] hehe I just teabagged an entire mechanic of yugioh Extra Deck size needs to be increased, nao. Dark Brown? eeh, alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Are you kidding? Depending on the deck type, you're either going to have to run one of each Synchro or you're going to have to take out a lot of good choices. To bring out Shooting Star Dragon, for example, you need 3 slots, more if you use duplicates of Formula or Stardust. Almost every deck will run Ally of Justice Catastor, Goyo, Brionac, Black Rose, Stardust, Thought Ruler, Mist Wurm/Trishula, etc. If you run a more themed deck like Psychics, you'll probably include Android, Lifetracer, Thought Ruler, etc. Blackwings will run Armed Wing and Armor Master. More often than not, you're forced to decide whether to scrap some good generics for theme, or vice versa. Now add in Synchro Fusions or Accel Synchros, if you plan to use them. You're getting pretty pressed for space now. The strongest decks are the ones that have plenty of flexibility, and if you have to sacrifice that flexibility too much, or limiting your options by including only 1 copy, you'll be at a disadvantage. NOW add in Exceed monsters, if they're any good. It was hard enough including the Synchros you need, now stuffing more cards into your Extra Deck will be nearly impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1297822256' post='5011478'] Honestly, this is really annoying me. Please tell me how the Extra Deck is "cramped". Just use the cards you plan on using the most, and then add in others for just in case. If you can't do that, then you're building your deck too broadly and deserve to suffer for it. [/quote] Limited space for an ever increasing number of things trying to enter that space = cramped. Be definition the extra deck is cramped. And that is the problem. In order for Exceeds to make it into extra decks they are going to be competing with synchros and fusions for that limited space, so unless they are super good exceeds won't have an impact, the opposite of what you'll want when you make a new card type. And if they are that good they may end up broken and that won't be good, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1297822651' post='5011494'] Are you kidding? Depending on the deck type, you're either going to have to run one of each Synchro or you're going to have to take out a lot of good choices. To bring out Shooting Star Dragon, for example, you need 3 slots, more if you use duplicates of Formula or Stardust. Almost every deck will run Ally of Justice Catastor, Goyo, Brionac, Black Rose, Stardust, Thought Ruler, Mist Wurm/Trishula, etc. If you run a more themed deck like Psychics, you'll probably include Android, Lifetracer, Thought Ruler, etc. Blackwings will run Armed Wing and Armor Master. More often than not, you're forced to decide whether to scrap some good generics for theme, or vice versa. Now add in Synchro Fusions or Accel Synchros, if you plan to use them. You're getting pretty pressed for space now. The strongest decks are the ones that have plenty of flexibility, and if you have to sacrifice that flexibility too much, or limiting your options by including only 1 copy, you'll be at a disadvantage. NOW add in Exceed monsters, if they're any good. It was hard enough including the Synchros you need, now stuffing more cards into your Extra Deck will be nearly impossible. [/quote] Oh no, you're not allowed to use every good card there is in Yu-Gi-Oh! and have access to an infinite number of choices just because you put down a level 2 monster and have a level 4? That's too bad. But that's where luck frays from strategy. Instead of just having the right levels, you had to have the foresight to put the right card in your deck, and know what cards will be the most useful for your deck's strategy. As far as I'm concerned, the Extra Deck is perfectly fine at its current number. If there is a problem where you can't fit a card just because you have to put in 15 monsters, then you built your deck badly, unbalanced, and didn't think enough about what's important. Either that, or those cards are bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I have a feeling that Scraps can pull off Level 8 Exceeds as well as they can pull off Level 8 Synchros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1297821981' post='5011474'] It's poor design to make the odd numbered levels unusable. [/quote] Only prime numbers over 5 and under 2 are unusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1297823194' post='5011505'] Oh no, you're not allowed to use every good card there is in Yu-Gi-Oh! and have access to an infinite number of choices just because you put down a level 2 monster and have a level 4? That's too bad. But that's where luck frays from strategy. Instead of just having the right levels, you had to have the foresight to put the right card in your deck, and know what cards will be the most useful for your deck's strategy. As far as I'm concerned, the Extra Deck is perfectly fine at its current number. If there is a problem where you can't fit a card just because you have to put in 15 monsters, then you built your deck badly, unbalanced, and didn't think enough about what's important. [/quote] You misunderstand what my actual point IS. It's not about using every card, it's using the BEST cards. That's why Goyo and Brionac are in every Extra Deck that Synchros and why Stardust is in pretty much every deck. The Extra Deck is cramped because while there's tons of options, only the best ones will be used, and the more cards that exist that fit in the Extra deck easily, the less room there is for the more themed cards, meaning a lot of strategies and cards only will get used in fun decks, or become outright obsolete. Elemental Hero decks lost the incredible flexibility their archetype used to have with Fusions, and that's where your comment about infinite choices fits best. Ehero decks had too many options, so it's more skillful to force them to limit themselves to certain fusions and adjust their decks to take advantage of that. If Konami wants Exceed Monsters to catch on, they have to battle with the Synchros and Fusions that most players dont want to remove from their deck in the first place. With so many good Synchros already squabbling for room and others being cut down to 1 copy instead of 2 or 3, it's unlikely that Exceeds will find a home unless they are 1) Easy to bring out 2) The mechanic has enough perks to justify investment 3) On par or better than most Synchros Look at some of the generic Synchros. Ally of Justice Catastor is easy to bring out and capable of killing almost anything it battles. Goyo has huge ATK, easy to bring out, deadly effect. Brionac is the same, with more reasonable ATK. Stardust is a self-reviving anti-destruction card. Black Rose has field nuking abilities. Ancient Fairy is commonly seen, but expendable. Colossal Fighter is considered one of the better Synchros. Chimeratech Fortress is an anti-machine card. Formula pays for some of its investment and paves the way to another Synchro. Mist Wurm/Trishula has great field clearing potential. Even if all those are run at 1, that's about half your Extra Deck, and more Synchro options can be put in there. Unless Exceeds are amazing, they won't be used instead of Synchros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote]I have a feeling that Scraps can pull off Level 8 Exceeds as well as they can pull off Level 8 Synchros. [/quote] Holy crap your right. Summon chimera -> Get beast -> Proceed to do the following: Synchro for scrap dragon Exceed for any level 8 exceed monster. *Starts running exceeds* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbu-of-Sand Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Has a stupid idea: Discuss if Excess Monsters could be in the Main, Side, and / or Extra Deck (with a certain minimum of how many Excess Monsters can be placed in each). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Trishula Stardust Dragon x2 Black Rose Dragon x2 Goyo Guardian Brionac Catastor x2 Formula Synchron Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Those are the "best" of what you listed, covering levels 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, and 2. That is 10 total, with doubles included. And -1 if you run no level 1 Tuners (Formula). And this is even if you could get your hands on all these cards. Some people either couldn't or didn't think it was worth it, and they still made top 32 with 14 or less Extra Decks. You have 4-5 spaces to add in extras that fit with your deck's theme (if you're saying that "variety doesn't matter"), which shouldn't be hard if you pick the right ones. And you can always remove some doubles and effects already found in the other cards you plan to use. It's rare to need a second of a card if they're that great, anyways. Monster Reborn, Call of the Haunted, and other methods of returning monsters is available. Plus I have rarely seen anyone need to bring out a second of a Synchro other than Black Rose or Chimeratech, which is because it wastes itself anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 In any case, for the record, I'm satisfied with the Extra Deck limit. I feel it keeps people from randomly throwing any card that could work into the Extra Deck. But some decks (Quickdraw, Tech Genus, Ehero) hate the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 [quote name='Fraz' timestamp='1297814803' post='5011242'] So now ultimate offering + gadget = 4 level 8 exceed monsters? [/quote] This. Exceed Gadgets...even Machina Gadgets can use Exceeds. The problem is, with so many great Synchros like Stardust, Goyo, Brionac, Catastor, and BRD, will Exceeds be worth the Extra deck space and deck adjustments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Ojamas: Special summon 5 with Red. they are all level 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 If they make a good Level 6, then Red & Blue 6Sams can use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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