King of Nothing Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 This topic is assuming 2 things - 1) Exceed monsters WILL make it into the meta 2) When an Exceed monster is turned face down, the overlaid monsters go to the graveyard (based on the logic of limiting book of moon) So, that being said - [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080814224230/yugioh/images/thumb/5/58/GonogoTDGS-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-GonogoTDGS-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] [spoiler=lore]An opponent's monster that battles this card is changed to face-down Defense Position at the end of the Damage Step. [/spoiler] Do you think this is going to make any future progress in the meta, since it pretty much screws over an exceed monster? And yes, the cat does it better, but this thing might survive the attacks UNTIL they get to the exceed monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I always liked running this guy in combination Ratbox/Defense-Control decks. It was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallabas Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Just run JuJu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I'd prefer Book of Eclipse to LOL at Exceeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I see no benefit to flipping them Exceeds into face-down Defense Position due to a card like this. If you're just going to wait for this to be attacked, use Legendary Jujitsu Master or Wall of Illusion and just BANISH IT TO WHERE IT ONCE CAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1298048840' post='5016450'] I see no benefit to flipping them Exceeds into face-down Defense Position due to a card like this. If you're just going to wait for this to be attacked, use Legendary Jujitsu Master or Wall of Illusion and just BANISH IT TO WHERE IT ONCE CAME. [/quote] Neither Legendary Jujitsu Master nor Wall of Illusion have names that are as fun to say as Gonogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 [quote name='Ghostmyth' timestamp='1298073681' post='5017392'] Neither Legendary Jujitsu Master nor Wall of Illusion have names that are as fun to say as Gonogo [/quote] True. If its effect happens at the end of the Damage Step, does that mean it fails to go through if Gonogo is destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 [quote name='Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1298076686' post='5017468'] True. If its effect happens at the end of the Damage Step, does that mean it fails to go through if Gonogo is destroyed? [/quote] it should still work. If you're asking due to the Double Tool C&D discussion, I think the real reason why Double Tool C&D doesn't work is because if the monster it is equipped with is destroyed by Battle during the opponent's turn, then Double Tool C&D's effect is no longer applied to that destroyed monster immediately after Damage Calculation. You can't apply the effects of an Equip Card that isn't equipped properly to that monster anymore Double Tool C&D, as an equip card, can only apply its effects while it is still equipped to a monster. Since Gonogo, Legendary Juijutsu Master, Wall of Illusion, etc's effects are inherent, they still work even after being destroyed by battle since they do not lose those effects when they're destroyed in the same way losing Double Tool C&D does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 It's awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 If they don't have the self-defending effect, Compulse and Penguin Soldier are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 So, if Goyo destroys it, does Goyo have the chance to use it's effect? I think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I think because of the "shuffle" ability some cards have, Exceeds will lose their Material when they're flipped. Otherwise you would be able to tell which card is which after said shuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 [quote name='Saikano' timestamp='1298172665' post='5019780'] So, if Goyo destroys it, does Goyo have the chance to use it's effect? I think so... [/quote] I believe so. "At the End of the Damage Step" should be the final effects of the "Damage Step". Cards that activate based on a Phase (or part of a phase) do not chain to other effects and would always be Chain Link 1. Goyo Guardian would activate when the monsters are sent to the Graveyard, then resolve successfully, to Special Summon Gonogo. But this brings up a pretty good question now that I think about it: Gonogo does say "An [b]opponent's[/b] monster..." If Special Summoned by Goyo Guardian this way, would Gonogo not activate since it would be face-up Defense Position on Goyo's side of the field and is no longer "an opponent's monster"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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