burnpsy Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302905452' post='5141256'] It wouldn't be complete trash as a Semi-Nomi (but would as a Nomi). It seems like the type of card that would make no sense the way you're saying it's translated, and if it's not a semi-Nomi, it completely ruins the purpose the Bugman cards. Whether or not that's a bad thing remains to be seen. My argument is I think the translation is mistaken, not that I -want- it to be mistaken. If it's not a Semi-Nomi, Mystic Tomato will probably be seen on an upcoming banlist, because then it can fetch Asterisk and an effective 3000 beater that battles with the opponent's DEF stat. [/quote] Asterisk sucks, so it's really just this, and this isn't even that broke the way it is ATM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Yeah, I had to re-read Asterisk's effect. I forgot it's only for Machine Imperials and Machine Emperors. Thought it was just "Machine-Types" for some reason. Okay, so it doesn't look like Asterisk is a Semi-Nomi, but I'm still iffy about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Oh my god, I just realized.. Debris to a Level 3 Bugman, then Synchro to Ancient Fairy Ancient Fairy's effect and Special this in Attack Position and have two 3000 ATK beatsticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='Chihaya Kisaragi' timestamp='1302906003' post='5141280'] Oh my god, I just realized.. Debris to a Level 3 Bugman, then Synchro to Ancient Fairy Ancient Fairy's effect and Special this in Attack Position and have two 3000 ATK beatsticks. [/quote] And destroy Necrovalley in the process. DO WANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 If Necrovalley was in play, you wouldn't be able to Debris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302907043' post='5141334'] If Necrovalley was in play, you wouldn't be able to Debris. [/quote] Demise of the Land says otherwise. [color="#FFFFFF"]inb4failtroll[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302905004' post='5141224'] Asterisk and Bugman do have a condition- [/quote] Aside from the fact I was being sarcastic, Asterisk and Bugman say "You [i]can[/i] Special Summon this card by doing [X]". Its like with Tricky and how he says "You can discard 1 card to Special Summon this card". Its just a method of Special Summon that isnt a forced requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1302907115' post='5141342'] Demise of the Land says otherwise. [color="#FFFFFF"]inb4failtroll[/color] [/quote] Demise of the Land would activate after the SS. I said if it was in play. Do Gravekeepers normally run Demise, anyway? Edit: Damn white text. *shrug* I can't read Japanese, so I can't tell what it says. Most cards with those conditions are Nomis or Semi-Nomis and it seems strange that this one is not. Asterisk is a weird one in that its translation changed almost every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 If it isn't a semi-nomi then it easily could be broken along with mystic tomato I would so run that over anything else... that would be a tier 1 or 2 Deck... it would just flatten almost anything... darn... this will be so cool I love this card (potentially) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 I don't read Japanese but looking at a Gold Series 3 Japanese Chaos Sorceror and Super Bugman's text, they are both the same until you get to the cards that have to be removed but, in the same sentence, after the monsters have been listed the text continues to be the same until a certain point and both sentences end differently. Take that as you will. Get Darkwolf777 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302905004' post='5141224'] The difference here is that Rare Metal doesn't have a Summoning Condition at all, it just can't be NS or Set. Asterisk and Bugman do have a condition, and that's why I have trouble believing they're not Semi-Nomis. Most monsters that aren't Nomis but have SS conditons (REDMD) don't state they can't be Normal Summoned or Set. [/quote] What about Wulf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 [quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1302916571' post='5141736'] I don't read Japanese but looking at a Gold Series 3 Japanese Chaos Sorceror and Super Bugman's text, they are both the same until you get to the cards that have to be removed but, in the same sentence, after the monsters have been listed the text continues to be the same until a certain point and both sentences end differently. Take that as you will. Get Darkwolf777 or something. [/quote] I dont know if darkwolf reads Japanese, though. The issue was over the TRANSLATION, and whether it says something to the line of it "It can only be SSed by..." (Semi-Nomi) or "You can SS it by..." (not Semi-Nomi). Wulf isnt a Special Summon condition, it's an effect. It doesn't say it can [b]only[/b] be SSed when milled from the deck. What I was saying was I think the translation of Super not being a Semi-Nomi is wrong, because its text indicates what would, for most cards, be a Summoning Condition, not a Special Summon effect. I could be wrong; I dont read Japanese so I can't tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 evilfusion... Until someone translates it and proves you right or wrong, please stop denying the translation we've been given. All you've successfully done is spammed up the topic with "I think the translation is wrong even though I can't read the language, because the card's too good if that's right." To which I ask why nobody questioned the first set of translations on LSS Shi En. A can can be made good. Just deal for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 More that it goes against the grain of most "boss" monsters. Asterisk could make sense, since it's all but worthless with 0 ATK without the Machine Imperials/Emperors. I had stopped denying it, though. Except for when someone else had slight "evidence" in favor of it being a Semi-Nomi, and another person brought up a card contradicting a statement I made earlier, but not fitting the proper criteria. Where did you get the current translation, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302920230' post='5141861'] Where did you get the current translation, anyway? [/quote] I'm not the OP, but shriek has this translation: GENF-JP012 Super Bugman 「スーパーバグマン」 DARK/Demon - Effect/4/0/3000 This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can be Special Summoned in Defense Position by removing from play each 1 "Bugman X", "Bugman Y", and "Bugman Z" in your Graveyard. While this card is face-up on the field, the ATK and DEF of all face-up Attack Position monsters is switched. There can only be 1 "Super Bugman" face-up on the field. Which is exactly what's in the OP. EDIT: I just realized, the Bugmen are exactly like Queen's/King's/Jack's Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Well, I wouldn't be so skeptical if I didn't remember the constant changing of Asterisk's translation, and seeing a translation that said this was a Semi. Ironically, I remember Shriek telling me Asterisk was a semi-nomi... IF it's not a Semi-Nomi, it's stupidly good with things like Mystic Tomato, Limit Reverse, anything that Special Summons from the hand, etc etc etc. Otherwise, it's just decent. I like that the Bugmen are in the Graveyard, not the Field, and that the mini-monsters have pseudo-synergy. Not really like the Knights, though. Jack's Knight is stupidly bad, and King's Knight is the only one with the Summon effect. The Bugmen are interchangeable to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 [center][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080823024607/yugioh/images/e/e1/DamageCondenserDR04-EN-SR-UE.png[/img][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100605015428/yugioh/images/b/b6/DamageGateTSHD-EN-SR-1E.png[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 How could I forget the Damage Traps? [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302920706' post='5141881'] Not really like the Knights, though. Jack's Knight is stupidly bad, and King's Knight is the only one with the Summon effect. The Bugmen are interchangeable to some extent. [/quote] Don't King Special from the hand? Bugmen Special from Deck. Anyways, I need to think how my Ancient Fairy Bugman Deck thing is gonna work. Suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 King's Knight is from deck. Jack's Knight is a level 5 Normal. Drawing that is horrible. Okay, I'm going to build a deck to spam the living hell out of Super Bugman, then, just to spite the translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 They're more like the Piece Golems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Its a 3000 ATK beater which can be summoned with Tomato, Limit Reverse, Call, Reborn, Stygian, Damage Gate, Damage Condenser and some other stuff :0 cool but its not gonna see play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Just did quick draft and tested the Deck. Debug Exceed is pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1302920706' post='5141881'] The Bugmen are interchangeable to some extent. [/quote] Add to it, all the Bugman pretty much help you get 3 monsters out, hence, Terra-Byte gets Sumoned followed by Super Bugman, just like in the anime. Then just put Super and Terra in attack position and you have a 3000 and 2900ATK beatsticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Well, not at the same time, though. Exceed Materials dont go to the Graveyard, so Tera would need to use its effect 3 times (or die) before you can Summon Super Bugman with its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Bwa! I realized that this also makes Debris a beatstick. Just not when you Summon it with Debris. Even if you did, you could just Exceed with them. Lol, Debris Bugmen sound like a lulzy idea with random beatsticks coming outta nowhere because of Super Bugman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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