Quiksilver Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [center][center] [/center][/center] [center][center][size=4]A Xyz Monster that works to stop Xyzs? Impossible![/size] [img]http://i52.tinypic.com/2vls1sk.png[/img] [size=4]{Going to be the new) Lore: 2 Level 3 Monsters This card gains 200 ATK for every Xyz Material attached to this card. Once per turn, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; select 1 face-up Xyz monster: detach all Xyz Materials attached to that card. If there are no Xyz Material attached to the selected monster when you activate this effect; destroy the selected card. So, hate/rate/raeg. The works.[/size] [/center][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, the Summoning requirement kills it. :/ The effect itself is pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glogatha Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 wicked pic, plus you could use a Great Xyz effect(I think...) I like it, since it has uses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Very very slow. Make it 2x Level 3 and it'll be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 This can be run over like nothing, so 2 materials is really the only way to go. Furthermore, anti-effects like this are, generally, bad. Orient Dragon is good, but that's due to how it activates, what it hits, and what it is replacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiksilver Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Konoe A. Mercury' timestamp='1313780038' post='5455387'] Very very slow. Make it 2x Level 3 and it'll be better[/quote] [quote name='Power Play' timestamp='1313779829' post='5455376'] Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, the Summoning requirement kills it. :/ The effect itself is pretty decent. [/quote] I made it x3 mainly because I hate Rescue Rabbit. But, since I have no doubt it'll get banned soon, I'll try and change it. [quote name='Shattered Sky' timestamp='1313780009' post='5455384'] wicked pic, plus you could use a Great Xyz effect(I think...) I like it, since it has uses... [/quote] Thanks...? I don't know what you mean with the great Xyz effect part, but anyways... [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313780322' post='5455397'] This can be run over like nothing, so 2 materials is really the only way to go. Furthermore, anti-effects like this are, generally, bad. Orient Dragon is good, but that's due to how it activates, what it hits, and what it is replacing. [/quote] True to the first part. For the second part, nearly all Xyz effects require you to detach Xyz Materials, and some, like Evolkaiser Ragia, require a specific amount, so using this card could really mess up your opponent's plans. That's how I see it, anyways. hanks for the comments, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well, there's nothing more to discuss here, because OP deliberately made his card bad because of 1 card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glogatha Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I ment you could use a great effect [b]twice.[/b] (I forgot the last word O.O) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiksilver Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Power Play' timestamp='1313780650' post='5455411'] Well, there's nothing more to discuss here, because OP deliberately made his card bad because of 1 card. [/quote] Not the only reason, my friend. I also did it because most cards require two Xyz Materials and you would need 3 Xyz Materials if you really wanted to destroy that card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 If you think Rabbit is going to be banned, what does it matter if it's abusable with rabbit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Quiksilver' timestamp='1313780836' post='5455421'] Not the only reason, my friend. I also did it because most cards require two Xyz Materials and you would need 3 Xyz Materials if you really wanted to destroy that card. [/quote] If you're going to make Anti-Meta, make it good. Do not make it make you waste more resources than your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Make it a Kuribolt-eske effect that detaches all materials on the monster or destroys it. And lol @ rabbit being banned. It's not THAT abusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiksilver Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313780922' post='5455424'] If you think Rabbit is going to be banned, what does it matter if it's abusable with rabbit? [/quote] Because, if it was inserted into the game the time I made it, I would want it to be fair and balanced that exact moment, you know? I didn't want to say "oh but this will be balanced by the time the banlist comes around". I want it to be a realistic card this format. I know, this conflicts with what I said before, but that was a concession on my part, so I'm sorry about that. [quote name='Power Play' timestamp='1313780999' post='5455426'] If you're going to make Anti-Meta, make it good. Do not make it make you waste more resources than your opponent. [/quote] Good tip. In the end, however, would it? If you managed to pull off that play, you'd both be down three monsters, and one of your opponent's would be an Xyz Monster, so...? [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313781239' post='5455431'] Make it a Kuribolt-eske effect that detaches all materials on the monster or destroys it. And lol @ rabbit being banned. It's not THAT abusable. [/quote] That doesn't sound like that bad of an idea. Thank you. When it's in a deck based around it, Level 4 Normal Monsters, and Return from a Different Dimension, oh it is. ...Maybe Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Quiksilver' timestamp='1313781403' post='5455440'] When it's in a deck based around it, Level 4 Normal Monsters, and Return from a Different Dimension, oh it is. [/quote] Played it. Only good way to revive it is with Leviair, and even then you only get Rabbit's effect once per turn, no matter how many times you revive it. it's only 1 Xyz by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Quiksilver' timestamp='1313781403' post='5455440'] Because, if it was inserted into the game the time I made it, I would want it to be fair and balanced that exact moment, you know? I didn't want to say "oh but this will be balanced by the time the banlist comes around". I want it to be a realistic card this format. I know, this conflicts with what I said before, but that was a concession on my part, so I'm sorry about that. [/quote] This card is not balanced, and never will be. It's terrible. It's not fair, it makes you lose resources. It's not very realistic, except in the LOLnami sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313781549' post='5455442'] This card is not balanced, and never will be. It's terrible. It's not fair, it makes you lose resources. It's not very realistic, except in the LOLnami sense. [/quote] I kinda liked my idea though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313781621' post='5455443'] I kinda liked my idea though... [/quote] Your idea would make it. But, as he has it, no, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313781549' post='5455442'] This card is not balanced, and never will be. It's terrible. It's not fair, it makes you lose resources. It's not very realistic, except in the LOLnami sense. [/quote] Next time, at least try to provide something useful to the topic. That post can be treated as spamming simply because you provided little to no contribution for the topic creator to get better. Anyway, I'd expand off of Miror B's idea by also making the Xyz gain ATK equal to the number of it's Materials you removed, so that way it can actually defend itself a bit better as well. Other than that, nice idea, but poor execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiksilver Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313781549' post='5455442'] This card is not balanced, and never will be. It's terrible. It's not fair, it makes you lose resources. It's not very realistic, except in the LOLnami sense. [/quote] Look, I'm not trying to piss you off. I don't know what is I've done to make you mad, but I'm sorry. Thank you for pointing out my card's flaws, and I'll do my best to address them. "It's terrible" doesn't really help much, however. Any specific reasons it's bad? [quote name='Feldt de Gracé' timestamp='1313781942' post='5455458'] Next time, at least try to provide something useful to the topic. That post can be treated as spamming simply because you provided little to no contribution for the topic creator to get better. Anyway, I'd expand off of Miror B's idea by also making the Xyz gain ATK equal to the number of it's Tokens you control, so that way it can actually defend itself a bit better as well. Other than that, nice idea, but poor execution. [/quote] I assume you mean Xyz Material? That is a nice idea, and thank you for your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313781856' post='5455454'] Your idea would make it. But, as he has it, no, it's not. [/quote] And yet he is still sitting here, trying to understand his card as well as what makes it unbalanced and all the little things in between. Properly discussing it with members, and learning as he goes along, asking the right questions with minimal arrogance. Yet you sit here and you state almost entirely negative views that impede his progress despite doing everything RIGHT. Warned for quite literally harassing members. Keep up the good work Quiksilver, as is you're admirable yet regardless of what this card's balance etc may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Quiksilver' timestamp='1313782064' post='5455460'] Look, I'm not trying to piss you off. I don't know what is I've done to make you mad, but I'm sorry. Thank you for pointing out my card's flaws, and I'll do my best to address them. "It's terrible" doesn't really help much, however. Any specific reasons it's bad? [/quote] Not pissed, just telling you the card is bad, and it won't be balanced unless you lower it to 2 materials, or do what Miror said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiksilver Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313782339' post='5455475'] Not pissed, just telling you the card is bad, and it won't be balanced unless you lower it to 2 materials, or do what Miror said. [/quote] Must be the damn internetz changing what you said to what I interpreted, then. Thanks for the comment. Icyblue, thank you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurashiDragon Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Tour guide of the underworld would go well with this card making it much easier to summon. That said I think you should make it 2 level 3 monsters instead of 3. The payoff isn't worth the bad summoning conditions and that effect just calls for this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1313782339' post='5455475'] Not pissed, just telling you the card is bad, and it won't be balanced unless you lower it to 2 materials, or do what Miror said. [/quote] You're saying "Card will always be bad", which kinda sounds like you think the card is unfixable. Be careful how you word things dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Why not just make his effect detach all units on the field, and then add a monster with a Level equal to the number of materials detached? Y'know, so you can compensate for the -2 you just Summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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