.Nu-13 Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1315684576' post='5505197'] So it needs 7 Mana [/quote] Uh, 8, Maniac is 2U But yeah, it just proves that mill is broken mechanic no matter in what game it appears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 So here's a quick question for you'se people. If there were cards other than Necroface that banished cards off the top of the deck, do you think people would get into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1315630064' post='5503960'] And then JD pops out of nowhere and is all: "HURRR DURR PAY 1000 FOR GAME" :/ ...Also, if I remember correctly, it was pretty much the Lightsworn archetype that started the whole "Milling is good" fetish. [/quote] You remember incorrectly. It was Perfect Circle and Card Trooper. Milling Treeborn Frog, Malicious, and Disk Commander (and Pot of Avarice fuel for the weird decks) I think RFG-milling might be the best way to go, but even then that might just end up making RFG the second graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1315704534' post='5505911'] I think RFG-milling might be the best way to go, but even then that might just end up making RFG the second graveyard.[/quote] There's just not as much RFG abuse cards as there are Graveyard abuse cards, so there's less ways for the Banished cards to become overly usable. That's why I brought it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1315705175' post='5505939'] so there's less ways for the Banished cards to become overly usable. [/quote] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110821072341/yugioh/images/thumb/7/7d/LeviairtheSeaDragonGENF-EN-UR-1E.png/300px-LeviairtheSeaDragonGENF-EN-UR-1E.png[/img] Enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 For milling to be a viable the deck damage done should not be tame. It should also have good ways to, and should be expected to negate Graveyard abuse. Something like Necrovalley is just a stupid type-killer, but cards within the milling system that also banish or negat Grave usability should follow the milling itself. I'm actually making an archetype that I'm going to make into a viable mill type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1315705499' post='5505962']For milling to be a viable the deck damage done should not be tame. It should also have good ways to, and should be expected to negate Graveyard abuse. Something like Necrovalley is just a stupid type-killer, but cards within the milling system that also banished or negated Grave usability should follow the milling itself. I'm actually making an archetype that I'm going to make into a viable mill type.[/quote] I'll see you in Written Cards when your done. I'd love to see what you came up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Lavals LOVE mills. Cant think of any that hate them........uhhh......nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Reason being anything that hates milling usually isn't anywhere near the meta tiers. This RFP and Graveyard interaction only started because the game wasn't/isn't complex enough for there to be enough field interactions to deal with intelligently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Iron Chain Dragon would hurt if it milled at least 7 cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1315706799' post='5506033']Iron Chain Dragon would hurt if it milled at least 7 cards.[/quote] [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Voltic_Bicorn&image=VolticBicornDREV-EN-UR-1E-jpg][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907012521/yugioh/images/thumb/f/fe/VolticBicornDREV-EN-UR-1E.jpg/230px-VolticBicornDREV-EN-UR-1E.jpg[/img][/url] Also, If there were a Lv 3 Beast Dark Tuner, whe could get some good combos rolling with mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1315706927' post='5506039'] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Voltic_Bicorn&image=VolticBicornDREV-EN-UR-1E-jpg"][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907012521/yugioh/images/thumb/f/fe/VolticBicornDREV-EN-UR-1E.jpg/230px-VolticBicornDREV-EN-UR-1E.jpg[/img][/url] Also, If there were a Lv 3 Beast Dark Tuner, whe could get some good combos rolling with mill. [/quote] But Bicorn is a one-time use that relies on the opponent and isn't generic. Iron Chain's a generic dragon that mills when it hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1315707035' post='5506047'] But Bicorn is a one-time use that relies on the opponent and isn't generic. [/quote] Ram it into stardust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Guardian Ceal' timestamp='1315707399' post='5506063'] Ram it into stardust.[/quote] Or Shi-En Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Guardian Ceal' timestamp='1315707399' post='5506063'] Ram it into stardust. [/quote] [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1315708150' post='5506099'] Or Shi-En [/quote] I'd still rather use Iron Chain and not lose my monster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laskeri - Unmei no Senshi Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 >Lavals >Lightsworns seriously, though. Lavals hate random milling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Laskeri - Unmei no Senshi' timestamp='1315708626' post='5506122'] >Lavals >Lightsworns seriously, though. Lavals hate random milling. [/quote] ... No they don't ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1315709426' post='5506185'] ... No they don't ._.[/quote] They only get their effects when milled the right way. So this can start getting iritating for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1315709426' post='5506185'] ... No they don't ._. [/quote] Alright, so I start milling half your deck and you won't start to worry at all huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Most decks would probably thank you for setting up an OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 That's why cards that mill the opponent's decks need to be done in mass quantity. 3 just doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Except it shouldn't be done in the OTK manner of Necroface, either. It's a difficult situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1315713346' post='5506391'] Except it shouldn't be done in the OTK manner of Necroface, either. It's a difficult situation. [/quote] Why not? That seemed like a good way to play mill to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 The game should be a continuous process, and as such mill should be done more consistently and not in a single, massive burst. Just not a very good way to structure a process in the long-run, since successful OTK decks always end up getting banlisted, just like Frogs when they were actually good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Why yes, almost everything being run in Empty Jar is on the banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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