This Account is Unplayable Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 As Kiryu stated, anomalies will always exist in a general formula. Of course card advantage is a very important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Ghost Knight of Jackal + Horn of the Phantom Beast = +3 every time you attack. I don't care, because it's not a consistently good deck. But, even that said, card advantage is a fundamental part of Yu-Gi-Oh! But there's about 300 other things that matter too, so card advantage is not exactly the most important thing. Ser actually seems not to be trolling today, and he raises a good point. How do decks basically beat other decks? All (meaning most) decks try to win. They can do this by: - An alternate win condition - Life Points to 0 - Deck-out For the first: Making themselves win < Trying to stop their opponent from winning For the second: Making themslves win = Trying to stop their opponent from winning For the third: Making themselves win > Trying to stop their opponent from wining There are exceptions, but that's a basic formula. Even OTK decks will follow it. They try to make themselves win, that's the main purpose, but they have to make sure that their opponent doesn't OTK them first or something like that. Of course, there's about 300 other things, so that reminds me on finishing my theory on Yu-Gi-Oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1317528000' post='5554286'] Does anyone remember when we used to LIKE Mage? [/quote] I still like mage. OT: Depends on what the deck's win condition is. Some decks win by using up advantage. Others gain advantage to win. It's that difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1317554785' post='5554697'] I still like mage. [/quote]Same. Why would you change your opinion of him :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 1. Premise: Card advantage is good. 2. List situational combo that grants mass +'s. 3. Combo is not used. 4. Conclusion: Card advantage is not important. 11/10 logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Dr. Cakey-chan' timestamp='1317559290' post='5554767'] 1. Premise: Card advantage is good. 2. List situational combo that grants mass +'s. 3. Combo is not used. 4. Conclusion: Card advantage is not important. 11/10 logic [/quote] Mine was obviously not situational. Just not Tier 1 or 2. And, of course, card advantage is important, just that it's not the only thing. Otherwise, we could easily assume that JackalHorn.dek would be Tier 1. But it's not, so there is obviously other factors apart from card advantage. The point is, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I accept card advantage is something to consider, but I suppose I can do better in a duel with a Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon on the field than an Ojamagic or Thunder Dragon on the hand. Of course, once you think you are about to win, you don't really pay much attention to your hand, except when something requires you to discard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 List a Tier 1 deck that does not troll with card advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 TG Hyper Librarian is an example of card advantage gone wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 *doesn't read anything beyond the first post* Card Advantage isn't the end-all-be-all, however to immediately write it off is far more ignorant then those that act like advantage is the only way to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Here, how about an apt metaphor: The guy with the largest army wins. Is that always true? No. But if I had to pick between 300 Spartans and several thousand Persian troops, I'd go with the Persians. Why? [i]Because they won[/i]. To summarize the summary of the summary, card advantage does not decide the duel on its own, but it is the most important [i]single[/i] factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Card advantage is important, as long as you have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Decks like Machinas, 6Sams, etc need to maintain a few cards in hand. [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1317528000' post='5554286'] Does anyone remember when we used to LIKE Mage? [/quote] Heathen! Mage is Jesus. That's how he keeps coming back after the [s]Jews[/s] mods [s]ban[/s] crucify him. He dies for our sins, and descends from the Heavens anew, continuing his path of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1317528000' post='5554286'] Does anyone remember when we used to LIKE Mage? [/quote] You do realize that mage is the OP and not Ser Mage Jacksonworth, right? Or maybe he's both. But he's definitely the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='~King Crouton~' timestamp='1317607748' post='5556654'] Heathen! Mage is Jesus. That's how he keeps coming back after the [s]Jews[/s] mods [s]ban[/s] crucify him. He dies for our sins, and descends from the Heavens anew, continuing his path of righteousness. [/quote] Wait...if mage is Jesus, then Ser is god and I'm the holy spirit, because they are essentially one. I'm just not doing much because I'm a very busy holy spirit :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Ｈorus' timestamp='1317624199' post='5556977'] Wait...if mage is Jesus, then Ser is god and I'm the holy spirit, because they are essentially one. I'm just not doing much because I'm a very busy holy spirit :< [/quote] Mage isn't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Jesus's Whistle' timestamp='1317643592' post='5557125'] Mage isn't me. [/quote] Technically you are an item owned by Jesus but yes, touché. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Card Advantage is a numerical, logical way of sizing up a card. Advantage should always be taken into account - if the card is a -2, then it has to have a very useful effect to justify the advantage it pisses away; if it is a +1 then it has to have a cripplingly bad effect (or the advantage gained is very exclusive, for example a card that only lets you add a certain monster to your hand or something along those lines). To assess cards based solely on advantage gained or lost is silly, but used as a part of the reviewing/decision-making process advantage is a rather good indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Dralcax Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 See how much card advantage your opponent rakes in. Then activate Secret Barrel (Or better yet, 3!) for a ton of damage. Which is why card advantage is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Infernities like card advantage? ..... ............ ....................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Dante v. Nero' timestamp='1317682565' post='5558384'] Infernities like card advantage? ..... ............ ....................................... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Dante v. Nero' timestamp='1317682565' post='5558384'] Infernities like card advantage? ..... ............ ....................................... [/quote] ITT: Hand advantage is the only type of card advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Card advantage is a tactic, not a strategy. The OP is pretty much mentioning it like it's a strategy. This thread is therefore pointless. /themoreyouknow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Dante v. Nero' timestamp='1317682565' post='5558384'] Infernities like card advantage? ..... ............ ....................................... [/quote] I-I thought you... could be good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 [quote name='Konoe A. Mercury' timestamp='1317684461' post='5558444'] I-I thought you... could be good... [/quote] Lost cause methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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