King of Nothing Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1319076981' post='5589005'] This is exactly what I'm talking about. The game changed. Get over it, or get out. You can still complain about how broken a card is, but when you start going on about an entire mechanic you may as well leave, because the mechanic sure as hell won't. [/quote] Nor will the broken card? Complaining doesn't do anything, I'm not complaining. Arguing with someone about the state of a popular game isn't complaining, even if I'm sided with a minority. Also, I only play on DN. Magic's so much better than Yugioh =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319077077' post='5589006'] Nor will the broken card? Complaining doesn't do anything, I'm not complaining. Arguing with someone about the state of a popular game isn't complaining, even if I'm sided with a minority. Also, I only play on DN. Magic's so much better than Yugioh =P [/quote] [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319075984' post='5588974'] You're like me. Konami left fans of the original yugioh in the dust. The older game was so much more fun than it is now, Xyz and Synchros should never have been created (of course, rituals were kinda meh too). Konami keeps creating something extremely powerful, than bringing a few things up to match its power, than overpowering it again. So something HAS happened to the game. Welcome to Konami's "Forgotten Fan" box. Its never going to go back to the way it was, and power creep is going to end up killing the game the season after Zexal, I guarantee it. [/quote] You're complaining. Also, the broken [b]CARD[/b] will probably get banned, an [b]ENTIRE MECHANIC[/b] won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1319077196' post='5589008'] You're complaining. Also, the broken [b]CARD[/b] will probably get banned, an [b]ENTIRE MECHANIC[/b] won't. [/quote] "I'm going to keep saying the same thing over and over again in an attempt to get the other side to stop arguing!" Also Brionac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 And I feel Brionac needs to be banned. It fuels enough loops as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1319077368' post='5589013'] And I feel Brionac needs to be banned. It fuels enough loops as it is. [/quote] So we agree on that. I said Brionac needed to be banned and TCG exclusives shouldn't be created (I'll add that if they are to be made, I feel like the Konami of Japan, assuming they don't create TCG exclusives, should review them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319077297' post='5589011'] "I'm going to keep saying the same thing over and over again in an attempt to get the other side to stop arguing!" Also Brionac [/quote] That's all you've done anywhere ._. And of course Brio needs to go, and, hopefully, soon, but the existence of 1 bannable card is not a reason to BAAAAAAWWWWWWW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 See King, I do know how you feel, and I can't blame it, I just hate people who baw over it. An extreme example would be Mars going everywhere about how "Magic is better than yugioh u fools lolololol!" I'm not liking the current power creep either. I'm going to see how the format goes, and if I don't like it, I'm gonna stop playing. That's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1319077536' post='5589019'] That's all you've done anywhere ._. And of course Brio needs to go, and, hopefully, soon, but the existence of 1 bannable card is not a reason to BAAAAAAWWWWWWW [/quote] Black Luster Envoy got unbanned, Tour Guide, Future Fusion (You're lieing if you would be surprised if that got hit) there are a few cards that need to get hit. And I'm not crying over it. I've already said that I just play magic now. Seriously, though, look over a topic. Konami could probably print a monster with 2500 attack at a level 4, but if the words "cant be special summoned" were on it, nobody would play it. Everything's so fast now, which is why it's hard to keep up. I took a break from Yugioh around GX, and when I came back in (towards the middle of 5ds) all I could say was "wat"? So I learned how to play 5ds, and then Zexal pops up with "lol Xyzzzz!" And don't act like the YCM community hasn't bawwwwwwwwwed over something as simple as a name change (Exceed, remember that? Oh, and Machinicles) The power creep is gonna keep on a'creepin'. That's one of the reasons I wish it'd rotate every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319077918' post='5589028'] Black Luster Envoy got unbanned, Tour Guide, Future Fusion (You're lieing if you would be surprised if that got hit) there are a few cards that need to get hit. And I'm not crying over it. I've already said that I just play magic now. Seriously, though, look over a topic. Konami could probably print a monster with 2500 attack at a level 4, but if the words "cant be special summoned" were on it, nobody would play it. Everything's so fast now, which is why it's hard to keep up. I took a break from Yugioh around GX, and when I came back in (towards the middle of 5ds) all I could say was "wat"? So I learned how to play 5ds, and then Zexal pops up with "lol Xyzzzz!" And don't act like the YCM community hasn't bawwwwwwwwwed over something as simple as a name change (Exceed, remember that? Oh, and Machinicles) The power creep is gonna keep on a'creepin'. That's one of the reasons I wish it'd rotate every season. [/quote] lolbantourguide. u so funny It needs a hit, but not a ban. I left yugioh mid-yubel. I came back about the time Godwin got his ass kicked, and started from the beginning. However, Synchros were an insanely easy concept. Picked up a game, and badabing, I had it. Same for Xyz. they are simple, and if you had trouble learnign them, and you would have prefereed constant Vorse Raider/Slate Warrior, then you shouldn't have come back. For the record, I didn't bawww over Xyz. I cringed at MEklords, but got over it quickly. Just because a mass of people do somethign they shouldn't doesn't mean it's right to BAWWW. Rotation is a stupid idea. What, you can only play X deck this format? Yes, further shove exact specifications down throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Guys, don't start the retarded "Rotation vs Banlist" argument. It'll end like "Oracle vs. Cydra", nobody is going to win. Yugioh is too far to change to rotation anyway. Konami is dependent on archtypes. Rotation would screw all that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Hold on, hold on! "Rotation vs Banlist?" There's actually an argument for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Reina Soho' timestamp='1319079269' post='5589059'] Hold on, hold on! "Rotation vs Banlist?" What's deck rotation? [/quote] Magic the Gathering uses a Rotation style of keeping the game in balance, which cycles through several sets of cards that you can use each format. It would be like if Yugioh said you could only use Light and Dark monsters one format, Earth and Wind next format, and Water and Fire the next format, then back to Light and Dark. Only Magic makes it work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1319079471' post='5589066'] Magic the Gathering uses a Rotation style of keeping the game in balance, which cycles through several sets of cards that you can use each format. It would be like if Yugioh said you could only use Light and Dark monsters one format, Earth and Wind next format, and Water and Fire the next format, then back to Light and Dark. Only Magic makes it work well. [/quote] Eww... Why do people play MtG if they can only use certain SETS? Not certain cards, certain ENTIRE SETS OF CARDS?!? It's planned obsolescence in a TCG!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='Reina Soho' timestamp='1319080052' post='5589089'] Eww... Why do people play MtG if they can only use certain SETS? Not certain cards, certain ENTIRE SETS OF CARDS?!? It's planned obsolescence in a TCG!!! [/quote] Magic is also much cheaper than yugioh. A deck can cost a quarter as much at the expense of not being able to use older cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Can we get back on track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Oh, ZONE, why do I fail so much at this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Do you play IRL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 [quote name='ΩMEGA KAISER' timestamp='1319244642' post='5592510'] Do you play IRL? [/quote] I'm not terrible at it and I don't play IRL ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted October 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 [quote name='ΩMEGA KAISER' timestamp='1319244642' post='5592510'] Do you play IRL? [/quote] I do, yes. And I suck at it, because all I can afford is a dinky Yusei Deck. I have a Dragunity Deck that is somewhat good, but only because half of it is proxied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I never played competitively in real life. I've always played online and with WC games. Really, my skill greatly improved from joining this site and being here for about 2 years. Darkwolf helped me learn almost everything about rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well, then I just don't know. Go to the doctor and get checked for brain tumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 All these interesting but eternal arguments going on here. Regarding: [b]Rotation Vs Banlist[/b] -Rotation only lets you play certain sets. -Rotation makes cheaper and easier to find cards. -Rotation helps balance the game. -Banlist gives you more freedom to use other previously printed cards. -Banlist doesn't garantee reprints as much, resulting in possibly higher prices and harder to find old cards. Take note that MTG prints a ton more cards per pack than Yugioh, re-reprints some cards from previous formats too, and it's mana system not only balances out the game more, but it also makes it more interesting to find equilibrium in a Deck when deckbuilding (in a way), so, it kinda makes up for rotation. Not to mention it doesn't have just 1 popular format. I'm not really on either side since banlist can also be made to work properly. [b]Nostalgia vs Power creep[/b] -Yes, the format is broken. -Yes, it can be fixed with a few subtile changes (like always) -Yes, the game prior to IOC was balanced, but mainly because there weren't enough cards out yet and it was sort of the development stage. Please DO note that the card game began as a MTG parody in the Yugioh manga (season 0 ) and was supposed to be a one-shot kind of thing. If you bother to look back, you'll see that in the manga they actually describe two wizards fighting each other with [s]20[/s] 2000 Life each and Summoning monsters. -No that doesn't mean the game nowadays is bad. Being more effect heavy allows for more broad strategies than before, when most monsters were vanillas. Synchros and Xyz are pretty good mechanics even though Synchros weren't completely done properly (causing more of a power creep than they should have, but still..), but I'm still glad the mechanics are around since it also gives players more options to turn back the game with that need to be kept in mind; something that's not always successfully done. I just like complex strategies. [b]FINALLY OT:[/b] I've been playing IRL for almost a decade now. Despite this, I was a noob during the first 6- 7 years that based everything on the cartoon (sad isn't it?). Now I'm fairly good. I don't play competitive, but I am at their level when I play with them. My best advice is, try trial and error. Have fun with it. That's what matters. Even if your strategies suck at first, you will eventually find small adjustments and eventually get enough experience, but for that, try to never get stuck by disregarding completely tips that others give you, even if they are mean when doing so, there might be some good content behind it. Dueling Network is a good place for practice (as already said), and being in the TCG section has actually helped me a lot. The questions thread can help you with pretty much any doubt you have on rulings, combos, chains, and effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 People say that MtG has a bunch of cards per pack. How much of that is Basic Land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wave_Sine Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 [quote name='ΩMEGA KAISER' timestamp='1319251697' post='5592761'] People say that MtG has a bunch of cards per pack. How much of that is Basic Land? [/quote] A Magic pack contains (usually) exactly 1 Basic Land, 1 Rare/Mythic Rare, 3 Uncommons, 10 Commons and 1 Token/Waste of cardstock that isn't a Token. That's 15 Deck-able cards, and hopefully a token. In regards to the main topic, I too have been in this for the long haul, and actually have a similar issue with figuring out why certain combos/archetypes are good. For example, until I played with Karakuri in WC11, I had no idea how they were so good. I knew they SS - swarmed, but the gears didn't mesh. The few IRL strategies I've been able to pull together (RFG, Dragons [kinda], VWXYZ, Yusei) share a similar goal: beatstick spam. I am not good at original strategies, let alone meta-worthy ones. Something I'd suggest to help with 'getting' certain strategies is to somehow obtain (buy new, buy used, pirate, etc.) a copy of a World Championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 You're bad because you like the [i]Witchblade[/i] anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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