Βyakuya Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/b6/Grapha,DragonLordofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-UR-1E.jpg[/img] Pardon me if this topic has already been recently discussed. This card is god. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 So......much........unneeded........hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1319671296' post='5602158'] So......much........unneeded........hype. [/quote] Hm? Meaning what? DWs are still a dangerous deck and this is one of the reasons why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1319671797' post='5602168'] Hm? Meaning what? DWs are still a dangerous deck and this is one of the reasons why. [/quote] Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1319671797' post='5602168'] Hm? Meaning what? DWs are still a dangerous deck and this is one of the reasons why. [/quote] I don't see how my words can be taken any other way then what I posted. o.0 I'm not saying DWs are bad, but everyone seems to think that their fame will last forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 You said the hype was unneeded. The easiest way to interpret that is that it was overhyped. Indicating the deck and cards are not as strong as people thought. But they are still extremely good, which is why your statement was perplexing. Will they stay good forever? Unlikely. Decks fall in and out of favor constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1319673102' post='5602200'] You said the hype was unneeded. The easiest way to interpret that is that it was overhyped. Indicating the deck and cards are not as strong as people thought. But they are still extremely good, which is why your statement was perplexing. [/quote] I know, I'm saying they're overhyped. I consider them Tier 1-ish, but not what everyone makes them out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I suppose that's true. They aren't god-tier and they won't dominate the meta, especially once PHSW gives us things like Rescue Rabbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Ok let's say a member of Yugioh Card Maker has been posting OVER AND OVER (lolz ) about searching for a decklist - AND NO ONE HAS IT!!!! *pulls hair out* - I've searched PJ, DGz, Google and I cannot find this freaking list. The Dark Gaia OTK for the Dark World build - is this a shot in the dark at it? 3 Grapha 3 Valkyrion 3 Broww 3 Snoww 3 KM Guardian 1 Morphing Jar 1 Gaia Plate 1 Grand Mole 3 Upstart 3 Dark Calling 3 MegaMorph 3 Gates of DW 3 DWD 3 Trade In 2 Mst 1 Card Destruction 1 Heavy 3 Dark Gaia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I'm REALLY thinking of testing Imperial Iron Wall, just to protect this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Has anyone else noticed that the OCG for this actually makes sense, as opposed to Snoww and Latinum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1319720862' post='5602883'] I'm REALLY thinking of testing Imperial Iron Wall, just to protect this. [/quote] But Gates to Dark World...! [quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1319727982' post='5602979'] Has anyone else noticed that the OCG for this actually makes sense, as opposed to Snoww and Latinum? [/quote] My theory is that because Grapha's secondary effect affects the hand, it doesn't do any targeting for its secondary effect before resolution. What most Dark Worlds have been doing lately is Trigger: Secondary Effect targets; Effect, and then secondary effect applies. So Grapha is written When discarded: target card to destroy; destroy target, secondary effect is applicable. I assume that Sillva will be written the same was as Grapha, as it's another secondary effect that affects the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1319738965' post='5603197'] I assume that Sillva will be written the same was as Grapha, as it's another secondary effect that affects the hand. [/quote] it was written in the same way as Grapha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Thought so. Proves my point. As another thought, knowing how the DW effects work, what would be the best way with the new OCG to establish when and where it applies its effects? Using Goldd as an example. How Goldd works: When Goldd is discarded, it is SSed. When an opponent discards Goldd, you also target 2 cards to destroy. At the same time Goldd is SSed, the targeted cards are destroyed. If you write Goldd the same way Grapha is written, that is, saying "then, if it was discarded by an opponent's effect...", that establishes that Goldd does not target, but because it targets, it can't be written that way. Effects that target are followed by a semi-colon. But it still gets an effect to SS if the opponent doesn't discard it, so the targeting can't be written alongside the Trigger. So, first the Trigger. "When this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect:" Now you need to establish it targets cards, but you have to specify that the opponent must be the one to discard it. "If this card was discarded by an opponent's card effect, you can target up to 2 cards your opponent controls;" And now the effect resolution, keeping in mind the destruction doesn't occur if the Summon is negated. "Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, then destroy the targets (if any)." *looks up Goldd's new text* And there we go. Close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 if you have a dark world deck, and don't run at least 2 of this, you're crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='空の竜藩主' timestamp='1319753684' post='5603589'] if you have a dark world deck, and don't run at least 2 of this, you're crazy. [/quote] Yeah that was me when I first played on DN...until I learned the beauty of Grapha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 GASP! if there's a card that changes the attribute of monsters in your hand, imagine this x3 + allure of darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='空の竜藩主' timestamp='1319753925' post='5603593'] GASP! if there's a card that changes the attribute of monsters in your hand, imagine this x3 + allure of darkness. [/quote] despite that combo being terrible, allure sends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='空の竜藩主' timestamp='1319753925' post='5603593'] GASP! if there's a card that changes the attribute of monsters in your hand, imagine this x3 + allure of darkness. [/quote] [quote name='Leviair the byakk Dragon' timestamp='1319755645' post='5603632'] despite that combo being terrible, allure sends [/quote] What the hell are you talking about? Allure of Darkness banishes. *clicks* Oh, VEIL of Darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1319756903' post='5603660'] What the hell are you talking about? Allure of Darkness banishes. *clicks* Oh, VEIL of Darkness. [/quote] He meant changing the attribute of all the mosnters on your hand to activate the contraeffect of allure...XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1319757020' post='5603662'] He meant changing the attribute of all the mosnters on your hand to activate the contraeffect of allure...XD [/quote] Oh, change them to NON-Darks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1319738965' post='5603197'] But Gates to Dark World...![/quote] Exactly. I'm thinking of maxing IIWs in my Side, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 [s]If Common Charity discarded...[/s] I'm sure I'll already start seeing Grapha in most decks this saturday. I am also sure they'll run a lot of S/T hate against my Macro and Fissure. Maybe I should get another Banisher, or side at least 1 Forbidden Graveyard (only cheaps cards for me)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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