.Rai Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1320597076' post='5621358'] I'm not spoiled or rich either, but I could afford Plant.dek with the sales of good cards. (ex. BLS, Warnings before tin, ect) [/quote] Assuming that you can allow things like Tengu and Glow-Up Bulb take up a large proportion of your budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Calculate how much a DW deck costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1320597192' post='5621369'] Assuming that you can allow things like Tengu and Glow-Up Bulb take up a large proportion of your budget. [/quote] Already have 2 tengu and glow up[b]s[/b]. trading noobs/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 My friends and I open some packs every week, and generally that gives me enough needed cards or trade fodder to make a good deck. Not the best, of course, but I consider finding good ways of building with what I have to be more fun than having all the options in the cardpool. I have just recently started buying singles online, and it has been just 1 card until now (because that edition never reached here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Okay, let me rephrase, anyone that does not have friends they can reap benefits from or noobs in tourney's can afford high priced cards, thats the other thing i hate people doing in RL, taking advantage of other people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 [quote name='White Archaic Dæmon' timestamp='1320599973' post='5621495'] Okay, let me rephrase, anyone that does not have friends they can reap benefits from or noobs in tourney's can afford high priced cards, thats the other thing i hate people doing in RL, taking advantage of other people.... [/quote] But its not taking advantage if you get good cards from people who just want to be their favorite anime character. It's a win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 YGO has the most ridiculous prices. Before me, I have some Ultra rare promos, secrets from HA PP and tins,a few basic supers & rares from GX/5DS era, a couple ultras from packs, and a few SD commons. 30 cards. $93.50 on T&T. and all of it is [s]crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 The game is becoming cheaper with all the great reprints that we are getting....come on duality and warning is now available to everyone...the Structure Decks are also pretty good and great for new and budget players (Machina, Agents, Dark World, Chaos Dragon). You don't NEED Tour Guides or Tengus to play competitively....many decks that don't run TGU and Tengu can still compete...(eg DWs, HERO, Scraps, Machina Gadgets, TG, Agents, Anti-Meta).. I run HERO Beat and I can keep up just fine with the $500+ decks...so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1320600264' post='5621505'] But its not taking advantage if you get good cards from people who just want to be their favorite anime character. It's a win-win. [/quote] Yes, it is still taking advantage if you don't tell them how much the cards you are acquiring is worth and/or the people not telling them what they are doing is stupid.....You can still be nice and they'd be nice and probably say, "I don't care if I'm getting ripped off, I want that card".... ----- I still so want my friends winged dragon of ra misprint.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1320603366' post='5621672'] The game is becoming cheaper with all the great reprints that we are getting....come on duality and warning is now available to everyone...the Structure Decks are also pretty good and great for new and budget players (Machina, Agents, Dark World, Chaos Dragon). You don't NEED Tour Guides or Tengus to play competitively....many decks that don't run TGU and Tengu can still compete...(eg DWs, HERO, Scraps, Machina Gadgets, TG, Agents, Anti-Meta).. I run HERO Beat and I can keep up just fine with the $500+ decks...so yeah. [/quote] It's definitely got cheaper, just not cheap enough yet. Till then, people will leave the game. And by the time Konami figures out how to price efficiently, they would have lost a lot of their playerbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 [quote name='White Archaic Dæmon' timestamp='1320606069' post='5621809'] Yes, it is still taking advantage if you don't tell them how much the cards you are acquiring is worth and/or the people not telling them what they are doing is stupid.....You can still be nice and they'd be nice and probably say, "I don't care if I'm getting ripped off, I want that card".... ----- I still so want my friends winged dragon of ra misprint.... [/quote] Worth is determined by the person, not just by price tag. The "wanting to be anime character" kinda gives you the hint that they care little for monetary worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 ^I'm like this guy. I just trade noobs and hold on to every card I get. I'm also a pretty good deck builder so I can build highly effective budget decks like Inmato Control and Daedalus.dek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1320606162' post='5621812'] It's definitely got cheaper, just not cheap enough yet. Till then, people will leave the game. And by the time Konami figures out how to price efficiently, they would have lost a lot of their playerbase. [/quote] ^This. IMO, Konami can't run this TCG properly. I also read on another forum that people are quitting the game because Kevin Tewart wants to bring Yata Garasu back next year. It's just a rumor but........wat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='RAEGING RAYQUAZA' timestamp='1320628196' post='5622753'] ^This. IMO, Konami can't run this TCG properly. I also read on another forum that people are quitting the game because Kevin Tewart wants to bring Yata Garasu back next year. It's just a rumor but........wat. [/quote] ... ... not even Tewart could be that stupid :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1320628413' post='5622770'] Tewart[/quote] Tewert got us to discuss Mirror Gate, like it was a godly-awesome Trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1320628511' post='5622779'] Tewert got us to discuss Mirror Gate, like it was a godly-awesome Trap. [/quote] When was this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1320628511' post='5622779'] Tewert got us to discuss Mirror Gate, like it was a godly-awesome Trap. [/quote] But this is pushing it :S This isn't even a rulings stupidity like he usually gets wrong, but horrible judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 My recent status update: "Yugi Moto...breaking the Yata Lock since 2001." If Yata is back then we will have to discard Nexus and return to the Heart of the Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 This Kevin fellow must be the Matt Ward of YGO. Making fucktarded ideas and plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='~Batshit Insane VK~' timestamp='1320631266' post='5622986'] This Kevin fellow must be the Matt Ward of YGO. Making fucktarded ideas and plans. [/quote] He was the one responsible for the Tour Guide BS with Sangan. OT: The cards go up as much as people are willing to pay, which makes me amazed at the 100+ price tags. That is the worse thing they could do. If X card that's 100+ dollars is never reprinted, a big amount of people complain about it being too damn expensive. If X card that's 100+ dollars gets cheaper reprints, then people who got them while expensive (which is not rare at all) will feel like quiting, and most prices in YGO eventually drop. The game is cheap[color=red]er[/color] but not cheap. Also, whenever cards drop in price and get reprinted, their Deck is usually somehow hit by the list and new super expensive cards replace them. Actually, getting out of the "price" topic for a second; banlists never fix the game for more than a month or so. Broken cards immediately get replaced by the new ones on the next pack. The problem I see is, why are those cards allowed to reach that much in the first place? Which goes back to the topic of "too high card rarities". I like yugioh's game mechanic, but not as much it's cards anymore. That's probably the only reason I keep playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='~Applejack~' timestamp='1320635158' post='5623198'] He was the one responsible for the Tour Guide BS with Sangan. OT: The cards go up as much as people are willing to pay, which makes me amazed at the 100+ price tags. That is the worse thing they could do. If X card that's 100+ dollars is never reprinted, a big amount of people complain about it being too damn expensive. If X card that's 100+ dollars gets cheaper reprints, then people who got them while expensive (which is not rare at all) will feel like quiting, and most prices in YGO eventually drop. The game is cheap[color=red]er[/color] but not cheap. Also, whenever cards drop in price and get reprinted, their Deck is usually somehow hit by the list and new super expensive cards replace them. Actually, getting out of the "price" topic for a second; banlists never fix the game for more than a month or so. Broken cards immediately get replaced by the new ones on the next pack. The problem I see is, why are those cards allowed to reach that much in the first place? Which goes back to the topic of "too high card rarities". I like yugioh's game mechanic, but not as much it's cards anymore. That's probably the only reason I keep playing. [/quote] In MtG, I believe they really focus on rarities. Commons are generally rather vanilla, text-wise. Simple effects, even if they are top-tier material, if they could be used in casual play because they are good and understandable, they will come under common. Uncommons are usually where the slightly better than Common, but still simple, cards go. Everything above is either meant for collector value, is an important storyline card, or is just really, really good top-tier material. But what I think is great about how they make higher-rarity price cards is that they completely make sure that formats won't be dependent on that card. Instead, they just make your deck have a slight advantage, but not so much that your win is guaranteed. Where Konami failed is making format-defining cards, not the vaguely good cards, retardedly high rarity. The cards that define the format should have: 1. either never been made in the first place since they ruin format diversity 2. or should be a really, really low price and rarity for accessibility. First is preferable, which is why MtG's current banlist is so small in Constructed play. Only 2 cards. Why? Because they actually make sure they don't design retardedly broken cards every 10 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1320635655' post='5623222'] In MtG, I believe they really focus on rarities. Commons are generally rather vanilla, text-wise. Simple effects, even if they are top-tier material, if they could be used in casual play because they are good and understandable, they will come under common. Uncommons are usually where the slightly better than Common, but still simple, cards go. Everything above is either meant for collector value, is an important storyline card, or is just really, really good top-tier material. But what I think is great about how they make higher-rarity price cards is that they completely make sure that formats won't be dependent on that card. Instead, they just make your deck have a slight advantage, but not so much that your win is guaranteed. Where Konami failed is making format-defining cards, not the vaguely good cards, retardedly high rarity. The cards that define the format should have: 1. either never been made in the first place since they ruin format diversity 2. or should be a really, really low price and rarity for accessibility. First is preferable, which is why MtG's current banlist is so small in Constructed play. Only 2 cards. Why? Because they actually make sure they don't design retardedly broken cards every 10 seconds. [/quote] Yeah I have a lot of respect towards MTG as a game. They even have articles explaining the reasons for banning single cards. I think I also saw at some point, an article saying some banned cards could still be used as long as the Deck where they came from remained intact. Not sure how much people would put that to use, but I'd appreciate the idea in YGO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 [quote name='~Applejack~' timestamp='1320636154' post='5623254'] Yeah I have a lot of respect towards MTG as a game. They even have articles explaining the reasons for banning single cards. I think I also saw at some point, an article saying some banned cards could still be used as long as the Deck where they came from remained intact. Not sure how much people would put that to use, but I'd appreciate the idea in YGO. [/quote] The idea would actually be a good step towards fixing YGO up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm of the opinion that Magic gets a lot of its success from the storyline, and the way sets are designed around it instead of vice-versa or, in the case of Yugimonz, completely separate except for a couple new card types or cards for people wanting to build a complete (insert Yugioh protagonist here) deck. It also helps that Magic actually has a development team who actually extensively playtest the new sets before they come out. The rotation system helps too (Goodbye, Jace!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Sadly that idea won't be happening due to Konami being nearly as greedy as GamesWorkShop. You think it's bad enough a card costs over $100 dollars? Try a lump of plastic that costs over $300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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