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[quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322779146' post='5678991']
Think about the types of people that smoke weed a lot. Teens. There are smart teens, and there are stupid teens. There are people from both groups that smoke weed a lot. The stupid ones are more obvious. You may not even find out if a smart one does it.

Put it this way: who would it be easier to find out whether they use the drug? The dumb teen that does it every weekend and walks around town yelling "YO I GOT THE MUNCHIES!" Or the smart secluded one who does it for his own reasons, that doesn't care about the hype of people finding out they use?
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I believe that's open to opinion.

who wants weed?

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[url="http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/"]http://www.cracked.c...-arent-helping/[/url]

ZzzzZZZzz. People if you're going to "argue" or "debate" this, either be like me and go "rarararaaaaaaa!!!!!!!" and be illegible. Or stop grasping at straws for variables that are supposedly difficult to test. For something like this, it goes beyond direct nature. It goes directly into cause and effect and the crap it starts down the line. And no, I won't be responding to this topic after this if anything I'll ask Marblezone, Miror or Legend Zero to close this topic should I feel it gets out of hand due to my severe hatred. This post was made just to help the anti-side. (Anyone quoting and replying to me and making any kind of ill remark will be taken as a personal insult as well so if you do not agree quote the article and everything linked do not speak directly to me).

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You don't need legitimate reasons to legalize something. You need a legitimate reason to criminalize something.

Second, just because someone wrote an article on it doesn't mean it's true.

Unless you can post a legitimate reason that marijuana should be criminalized, you have no right to mock the pro-legalization argument.

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[quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322787356' post='5679309']
You don't need legitimate reasons to legalize something. You need a legitimate reason to criminalize something.

Second, just because someone wrote an article on it doesn't mean it's true.

Unless you can post a legitimate reason that marijuana should be criminalized, you have no right to mock the pro-legalization argument.
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I literally read this as "If you cannot [blank[sup]1[/sup]], you cannot [blank[sup]2[/sup]]"; I'm pretty sure that qualifies as spam. And if you bothered to read the article, it cites a hell of a lot of sources on nearly every single thing stated. Read it again and try again.

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Look, it really doesn't matter if those arguments aren't good. Most of them [i]are[/i] stupid.

You literately just said "If you can't blank, don't blank" is spam, but did the exact same thing. I don't feel like reading it. I shouldn't really have to.

You have every right to hate that particular drug. I do not blame you for that. I completely understand that it can cause harm to people and people around them.

But can you really justify Federal Intervention?

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[quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322787722' post='5679329']
But can you really justify Federal Intervention?
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Please point out the one's that are stupid and quote appropriately (as well as cited sources etc). The only circular reasoning that should exist here are the one's that are about personal opinion; since that's just what they are.

As for the Federal thing, not everywhere, no I cannot. From my observations, the demographic effects are varied and do not contain the same cause and effect as it would elsewhere. And in some cases, this effect may even broaden by city or town or district. However, these statistics themselves are skewed based on the degree of people that speak up for and against it, and how much they are willing to share about how it affects their day to day activities. Such is from a poison like this however; and in my opinion for such a thing with a varied thing like that that is dominantly negative (as I see it); yes it would be.

Nor will I tolerate having to wear a god damn mask in public, in my home, or ANYWHERE for this. And with my extreme hypersensitivity (I can detect it even if you havent used it for at least 4 days and my nose is only getting stronger), it makes the scent of it completely unbearable. Given how I rely on my sense of smell for EVERYTHING, this is not positive by any means. And[u][b] I will not have my right of sight taken away[/b][/u] because some clinically dysfunctional moron wants to whatever the hell it has to do with that vulgar poison vaguely guised as something greater.

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Oh hell no Icy. My opinion is that it should only be used in private. People should not be able to smoke it in public or someone else's home without permission. (Or cigarettes for that matter.)

I don't want that putrid stench in my face either, trust me.

But as for statistics, that's no secret. They're almost always skewered. I just don't think people should be told what they can and cannot do to their body in their own home. Especially something as subjective as this drug in particular.

Meth and Heroine I can understand, but I feel like hunting people down for carrying this is overkill.

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Yes, there are cited sources to prove that guys reasoning. There's also sources to say his article is entirely false. You can't base your entire argument based on one article from someone who even admitted that there were studied both aiding his argument and completely disproving it. That article is more of an opinion, really.
Saying his argument was good because he had cited sources would be like me saying "Oh, Global Warming is a myth because some articles I can cite depict it as such!" A citation doesn't prove something- sure it can help an argument, but relying on sources and citations for issues as controversial as this is purely stupid. Just like with Global Warming, there's no 'proof' for either side to prove whether or not marijuana is harmful. The majority of the time, it doesn't harm people. Can people take the minority as something to be afraid of? Yes. Should they be allowed to use that minority to tell be what they can and can't do? Hell no.

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Gonna say Josh, the article you posted was more of a "Stop using these arguments to make your point" than "Stop trying to legalize pot"

And for the record, my mind says booze and cigarettes should be illegal rather than pot being legal. Too bad last time they tried to ban booze sh*t got messed up and it failed, god knows what would happen this time.

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holy crap, I've been inactive so long that I was missing out on one of my most favorite topic discussions of all time, next to video games and sex

I didn't read through every post but from what I remember, back in the day (this topic came up around 5-6 times?) people normally argued that "drug are bad m'kay?"

which for the most part yes its true

and although in previous cases I argued it was all based on the user's moderation tolerance and strength of the illegal substance
I guess by this point I have to accept the fact that people are generally stoopids and we (I) cant really put faith in chaos control any more than the hobbes of our times can put faith in ignorant political bashers.

and yes we made some great advancements and our standards have managed to reach the all time highs that make our times still look like s*** regardless of our improvement from past time periods (decrease in violence over centuries, decreased poverty, less rape, less hallucinatory substances holy s*** yes I'm serious all true)

but the one thing that remained consistent were gaps of identification. "To belong, we do." simple as that.
we chose to accept addictions as an inevitability, over the rationality that this is all one great placebo

so for someone like me, I am totally fine with blunt or two a week, maybe pop some ecstasy every 2-3 months, bubble up a bong. And although it can't be said by me at this point without sounding like and arrogant and pompous ass, because this rational control of moderation is not a capability for the majority, people like me should step up, become the better man, and sacrifice his sweet morning kush, weed, hash, ganja for the good or the whole

because we can take that s***, while others... well they're wonky, and getting addicted to non-addictive substances has become the new "in thing"

P.S this doesn't apply to meth and cocaine, that s*** fucks you up and it does have the substances that will overcome your will power, so just don't do it. If you're already hooked, pretty much the huge percent of you that want to quit, but can't. you can always look for clinical treatment knowing that if you have enough money for internet you have money for medical insurance. I support your best efforts bro-ham

P.P.S I don't need to tell you guys my justification or my thoughts on alcohol, because its so damn stupid to do so, it goes into so many layers and levels of economy, bureaucracy, morality, moderation, foreign affairs (in relation to America having most alcoholic substances legalized, sorry foreign countries nothing personal I just don't know you) that anything I say or anything anyone else says will be shot down instantly by someone else with legitimate arguments regardless on whether or not their completely sober or balls-flat drunk of their rocker.

P.P.P.S if you made it this far, going against everything I just said "legalize it in Hawaii, yah mon!"

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