DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Venus was good card design back in the old days, but now it's not anymore. It basically summons any Rank 2 without losing any advantage, AND fills the Graveyard with fodder for Hyperion. Given Earth exists, limiting Venus does nothing. Instead, Ball should go to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 @primal seed: Pretty sure this was @3 with bls and ced before the sept list, and did your hear about the looping? No, cause its terrible. If bls goes, it can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 limiting shine ball would be stupid the deck should atleast stay competative enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Semi-Limit Shine Ball and Limit Kristya. Keeps Agents good but not too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Then what instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Wanting cards specifically to buff your own deck-types is horrifically selfish. We need nerfs, not buffs. Anyways, I might as well make a list of my own: Forbidden: Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning, because its an lolboss out of nowhere that is the envoy of ragequits. Dandylion, because its free +1's Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier, nuff said T.G. Hyper Librarian, tons of free +1's and to weaken many loops Future Fusion, painful choice Limited: Archlord Krystia, because Agents are getting old in OCG meta, time to "lolnerf" in order to support more recent packs to get kids to buy more cards Daigusto Emeral, enables further looping and stuff Lavalval Chain, it literally stacks, should be banned imo, but they wouldn't do that this quickly Leviair, the Sea Dragon, rarely used more than once, but can Master Hyperion, because Agents Inzector Hornet, its the key to the engine The Agent of Creation - Venus, further nerfing Wind-Up Zenmaity, because even though I want to build that deck, the loop is nuts, maybe to semi-limit Would include Zenmaines, because its an annoying wall that's competitive Semi-Limited: Gate of Dark World, part of the engine Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World, because its a +1 special summon, shouldn't exist, but isn't as competitive (broken) as other stuff nowadays Inzector Dragonfly, because advantage Inzector Centipede, see above Mystical Shine Ball, nail in the coffin Snoww, Unlight of Dark World, its Stratos on steroids at times T.G. Warwolf, to slow down agents and the tech'ability of the Tech Genus *shot* If TCG exclusives reach there in time, like Reborn Tengu and Tour Guide of the Underworld, both should be semi-limited at minimum. Book of Moon, because they changed how XYZ work so its not an auto-anti to them. Unlimited: Swords of Revealing Light, because we need to slow down the meta, not like it would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1326591289' post='5764673'] Wanting cards specifically to buff your own deck-types is horrifically selfish. We need nerfs, not buffs. [/quote] Hence SHOT. It was a joke =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 we are all bad at this game lets go play pokemon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Where they ban all old sets simply to force people to buy new cards? No thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 There's nothing wrong with both nerfing and buffing different decks, like BWs for example, who would be really good with a little buff. Besides, a more diverse meta is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1326591864' post='5764678'] Where they ban all old sets simply to force people to buy new cards? No thanks... [/quote] Umm, don't even talk about rotation without experiencing it yourself. It's not even different in YGO :S New deck comes out, your deck becomes bad, you're forced to play that or lose. /ok And it does help that Pokémon is the cheapest TCG of the 'big three'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 The difference with Yugimonz is that certain old decks can still be used without being auto-banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1326593323' post='5764700'] The difference with Yugimonz is that certain old decks can still be used without being auto-banned. [/quote] That's why both Pokémon and MtG have extra formats rather than just Traditional/Standard. Rotations are healthier for more diverse metas anyway. Anyway, Gorz needs to go. So should Tragoedia, to be honest. Just because they were both stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 So YCM has decided/not decided this so far: [b]Banned[/b] - BLS (though it most likely wont) - Dandylion - Future Fusion (?????? should be but most likely wont) - Brionac (same as future fusion) [b]Limited[/b] - Wind-Up Zenmaity (please stop being bad ffs) - Hyperion vs Earth (?????? i dont know what YCM thinks) - Inzektor Dragonfly vs Hornet (everyone gets mad when somebody says one or the other but lol) [b]Semi[/b] n/a [b]Unlimited[/b] - Monk - Magical Stone Excavation - D-Draw And some asdfasdfitsnotgonnahappen BW stuff. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 BLS and Future Fusion and Brionac are FINE AT 1. Limit Ball and Dragonfly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'd limit hyp over earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Why would anyone consider Limiting Earth? All Earth is, is basically a better, but slower version of Venus. And Venus is bad. So Hyp it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 With Earth limited, Agents lose their consistency, but it doesn't stop them from being a deck that can actually do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Limiting Shine Ball is idiotic, Brionac is not fine, loop or no, and Future Fusion is definitely not fine for the game, even if it does nothing at the moment. You're an idiot if you think Brio and FuFu are anything short of banworthey, whether they are banned or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 As for the inzektors, I'd just semi both. Limiting either would make the deck sort of inconistent. Semi-ing them will hit the deck without making it too bad. Although I suppose hornet being limited wouldn't be that bad because of armageddon knight and foolish and stuff. So I guess I'll go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='~ GMK ~' timestamp='1326594656' post='5764732'] As for the inzektors, I'd just semi both. Limiting either would make the deck sort of inconistent. Semi-ing them will hit the deck without making it too bad. [/quote] The point is to kill the threat. Why people are like "Don't hit it too hard Dx" is beyond me, when it's a threat If broken ass cards make them consistent they should die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 If a deck is stupidly designed, it never deserved to exist in the first place. So, yes, Ravenous is completely right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326594600' post='5764731'] Limiting Shine Ball is idiotic, Brionac is not fine, loop or no, and Future Fusion is definitely not fine for the game, even if it does nothing at the moment. You're an idiot if you think Brio and FuFu are anything short of banworthey, whether they are banned or not. [/quote] Limiting Venus is stupid Limiting Earth is stupid It's either Hyperion or Ball, and I chose Ball. Brionac is not fine, true, but without it the only good Level 6 Synchros will become Gaia Knight, Sirius, and Orient Dragon. All rather lackluster compared to other level Synchros. Level 6 Synchros need something good. Besides, its loops are stupid and inconsistent. Or, we can ban Brionac and get back Goyo. Future Fusion adds variety to the gameplay. OTK variety, yes, but it's not that consistent either, and there's no problem with it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326594724' post='5764735'] The point is to kill the threat. Why people are like "Don't hit it too hard Dx" is beyond me, when it's a threat If broken ass cards make them consistent they should die [/quote] Well just now I realized I had really flawed logic for that first sentence, so I can't really argue. For some reason I thought limiting hornet would kill the deck but it doesn't, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Apparently, casual play is completely irrelevant so we can do anything and leave the game with various inconsistent decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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