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Honesty vs. Buttering Up


Not-so-Radiant Arin

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So, I was playing my online golfing game, trying to kill some time, when I got into a group with two other players, played a nice nine-hole round, and then ended up kicking both of their asses to the curb. I finished -6, another finished -2, and the last one finished at Even.

After getting the gifts and friending both of them (because I usually try to do that if everyone that I come across on there), I redeem my coupon for a free Gift, when suddenly I get a message from one of the players saying that the other one is going to kill their self.

I'm thinking "Oh s***, this is bad," but then when I got back into the room, the player was just crying about how she's not loved and that her parents hate her and that she's no good for anyone. So I basically end up saying "f*** you and take your problems somewhere else where it isn't the Internet."

I could have buttered up my words, but for what reason? It's not going to change the fact that she's still a humongous crybaby. Also, I find that being brutally honest about stuff in life is the only way to get through to a person, let alone someone on the Internet who you don't know. It won't change the fact that there are some players out there who are always going to be better than you, and that it takes repetition and hard practice in order to become the very best.

Also, I think that those two players were bratty teenage girls just trying to start s***.

tl;dr - Discuss being honest vs. being "soft". If you were faced with this same situation, would you say the same thing I did, or do something else?

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[quote name='Moe Fantastico J-Max' timestamp='1332040155' post='5876088']
Well Pangya is the only Online golf game I play and no need to get Sarcy with me <_<
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Haha.

No, the Golf Game that I am currently playing is called Golfstar. It plays a lot like real-life, which is what makes it so awesome, minus the chatty bratty teenage [s]prostitute [/s]girls.

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You're a horrible person if this story is an indication of you as a whole =/

Anyways, I tend to be honest but try to be nice about it. I don't like sugar coating, but sometimes you need it... And anyone who knows me outside of YCM alone would call me soft but honest, when it comes to friendships.

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[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1332040386' post='5876095']
[b]You're a horrible person if this story is an indication of you as a whole =/[/b]

Anyways, I tend to be honest but try to be nice about it. I don't like sugar coating, but sometimes you need it... And anyone who knows me outside of YCM alone would call me soft but honest, when it comes to friendships.
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Understand that on the Internet, a lot of people are just out for the attention so it's good to be on guard. Besides if someone I hardly knew came up to me and started sobbing and thing's i'd probally be the same way. Not tell them to go f*** themselves but i'd be wary as to why a complete stranger has come up to me of all people and started Sobbing.

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[quote name='~~Xiahou Dun~~' timestamp='1332040560' post='5876100']
Maybe, but those people that really know me (like IRL friends) say that I have a gentle side. These are two complete strangers that I didn't know.
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... And?

A life is a precious, irreplaceable thing. Even if you don't know it, someone does and wants it to exist. Yes, they may be faking, but you should try your hardest despite that. Hell, if someone seems down enough on here I'll PM them or offer to talk as much as they need.

To tell them to go get over it and stop beign a cry baby is... despicable, inhumane, cowardly.

[quote name='Moe Fantastico J-Max' timestamp='1332040590' post='5876103']
Understand that on the Internet, a lot of people are just out for the attention so it's good to be on guard. Besides if someone I hardly knew came up to me and started sobbing and thing's i'd probally be the same way. Not tell them to go f*** themselves but i'd be wary as to why a complete stranger has come up to me of all people and started Sobbing.
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I understand a lot of people are really awkward about it, but I meant the "go eff yourself" part more than the not helping.

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Okay, maybe the "f yourself" part was a bit of an exaggeration, as I do tend to do that a lot. But I did my darnedest to try and tell the two girls that you shouldn't be complaining about your problems on the Internet. I made this thread solely for the purpose to see if I could handle that situation better, and to see what I can do about it the next time a similar scenario emerges.

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[quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1332039986' post='5876081']
We all know why Crab Helmet is highly respected.
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People just don't want to be zinged by him/her, so they all join his/her side. It's pretty moronic, actually. Just my two cents.

There are times to be brutally honest and times to be... you know, [i]nice[/i], while not saying what exactly is on your mind.

That girl needed a shoulder to lean on, and you gave her a cold one. Even if it was a complete stranger, whatever happened to paying it forward?

Sheesh...

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Sometimes all people really need is an ear to hear and a shoulder to cry on. Some people don't have anywhere else to go with their problems than the internet.

Just lend a hand and show a scrap of reason as to why humanity deserves any faith in it whatsoever, rather than just forcing them away like every other person would do.

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[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1332041162' post='5876132']
People just don't want to be zinged by him/her, so they all join his/her side. It's pretty moronic, actually. Just my two cents.

There are times to be brutally honest and times to be... you know, [i]nice[/i], while not saying what exactly is on your mind.

That girl needed a shoulder to lean on, and you gave her a cold one. Even if it was a complete stranger, whatever happened to paying it forward?

Sheesh...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eS1qyBVVfc

This is what happens when you let your guard down. You get screwed over. I'd have to at least know the person before I can offer my sensitive side.

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[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1332041162' post='5876132']
People just don't want to be zinged by him/her, so they all join his/her side. It's pretty moronic, actually. Just my two cents.

There are times to be brutally honest and times to be... you know, [i]nice[/i], while not saying what exactly is on your mind.

That girl needed a shoulder to lean on, and you gave her a cold one. Even if it was a complete stranger, whatever happened to paying it forward?

Sheesh...
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Crab is highly respected because this is internet.

If one acts on real life like him/her does on the internet, something's really wrong.

Sometimes it's necessary to be nice. Being nice has rendered some of the happiest moments of my life, just like it brought me problems a few times because I timed it incorrectly due to inexperience.

But being nice and friendly is one thing completely different from being extremely cheerful and positive, always thinking about not hurting the feelings of the other.

It's really subjective and situational IMO.

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[quote name='Moe Fantastico J-Max' timestamp='1332041268' post='5876136']
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eS1qyBVVfc[/media]

This is what happens when you let your guard down. You get screwed over. I'd have to at least know the person before I can offer my sensitive side.
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You cited Shenmue, which isn't real life and is also one of the most depressing games I've ever played. While I can't change the way you think, letting your guard down sometimes is a good thing. Trust me!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfgDTqEwAJQ[/media]

@Rod - Agreed! I'm just saying that in Dun's instance, he could have been a bit nicer.

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If I were you, I would've just carefully explained to her that just because she can't play golf well doesn't mean she can't get better and that there's no need to be so down about it. I mean, I suck at dueling, but I'm better than I used to be. It's all about practice.
As for her other problems, I know she was a stranger, but it can't hurt to at least give her an outlet. She probably had no-one else to turn to and just needed an outlet, and sometimes that's all you need, someone who'll listen to you. It can be easier to find listeners on the internet than IRL.
In our society with these teenage suicides and depressions and cases of abuse, I believe we should all be there to support each other. You can do it through strict parenting, gentle consolation or just letting them cry into your shoulder, whatever you end up doing, it'll help.

As for me, I'm a good listener, but I suck with advice. The few times friends have come to me, they usually do something different from what I said or get over the matter themselves. In other words, I'm the shoulder you can come crying into, but you might want to find someone like Black in finding a way to deal with it.

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Person was probably trying to me you feel guilty. I have a brother who would play the "I'm depressed" card when I wouldn't give him what he wanted. He used to cry "I WANNA KILL MYSELF" after failing a semester at college, but my father eventually called him on his BS by calling him a "drama queen."

I don't really react to stuff like this and just nod and say "uh-huh." Like how I handle every person's problem that is brought to me.

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I guess I'm more of a guy that will listen and try to help in the nicest, most honest way possible. However, if someone needs a figurative smack in the face, I'm not afraid to give it. Just not in the way of "Shut the f*** up and take your problems elsewhere".

There isn't much to say that hasn't already been said. :I

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Buttering up is the policy of those not in power. Honesty is a policy than only those in power can afford to employ. Crab Helmet would not be liked be the staff if he wasn't one of them.

In life, you flip between the two depending on the situation. It's all quite relative.

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