Jump to content

The Devil


Organized Chaos

Recommended Posts

[quote]
They both share the idea that Mormonism is a foolish religion. They both have different ideas as to why it is foolish though. Let them think that it is foolish.[/quote]
k
[quote]People join a religion for the ideas that it holds sometimes too, not just the history of the religion.[/quote]
Even though some of the ideas include having the Garden of Eden in Missouri and an Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent God having intercourse with a female in order to produce children.
[quote]My family is Catholic and they don't give a rat's ass about how Jesus was born, and crap like that.[/quote]
You mean about 50% of what Catholocism stands for?
[quote]They want to show the ideas it holds, and promote them through their lives.[/quote]
Homosexuality is wrong? Condoms increase chances of HIV? Anyone who disagrees is a sinner? The Pope has stated all of these tenants and is the high authority of Catholicism and if your family does not believe in that than they are not Roman Catholic, maybe Orthodox but not Roman Catholic. If you could specify it would be greatly appreciated.
[quote]Religion is more than just an idea of history, it is also an idea of how to live your life, a direction that will lead you forward with morality.[/quote]
Condoms are bad, homosexuality is bad, sexual intercourse before marriage is bad, masturbation is bad, not worshipping God is deadly.
[quote]You the history of Mormonism, you complain some false theories with it too.[/quote]
OH! You mean that thing called "Reason". I know I shouldn't have used it. I should probably go confess my sins before I burn for all eternity.
[quote]Well, you are just showing how much you care about how something was brought to be,[/quote]
What shouldn't have been brought to be.
[quote]and not what it is trying to show today. Let history affect something.[/quote]
If they learned anything they would have realized how much of a con Joseph Smith is. However it is taking a critical translation book originally started in 1989 to prove that.
[quote]I say that white is the best and superior race there is because that is what history tells me.
[/quote]
*Hands up* you got me there sir.
Actualy, uh, no. You are using my argument and twisting it into something far different. I used history as a guide of what NOT to do. While you say I use it as what TO do which is a fallacy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341201692' post='5965184']
k

Even though some of the ideas include having the Garden of Eden in Missouri and an Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent God having intercourse with a female in order to produce children.

You mean about 50% of what Catholocism stands for?

Homosexuality is wrong? Condoms increase chances of HIV? Anyone who disagrees is a sinner? The Pope has stated all of these tenants and is the high authority of Catholicism and if your family does not believe in that than they are not Roman Catholic, maybe Orthodox but not Roman Catholic. If you could specify it would be greatly appreciated.

Condoms are bad, homosexuality is bad, sexual intercourse before marriage is bad, masturbation is bad, not worshipping God is deadly.

OH! You mean that thing called "Reason". I know I shouldn't have used it. I should probably go confess my sins before I burn for all eternity.

What shouldn't have been brought to be.

If they learned anything they would have realized how much of a con Joseph Smith is. However it is taking a critical translation book originally started in 1989 to prove that.

*Hands up* you got me there sir.
Actualy, uh, no. You are using my argument and twisting it into something far different. I used history as a guide of what NOT to do. While you say I use it as what TO do which is a fallacy.
[/quote]
I like how you get so pissed in trying to prove something, and it just makes is so much fun. I mean, really funny.
The bible never said anything about homosexuality being bad. I love how much people influenced that with you. It only said that same sex marriage is wrong. And things have changed over time. Their are homosexual pastures that are preaching the word of the lord, God to be more specific. "Condoms increase the chance of HIV"...What? That is not a belief of the church, but beliefs of the catholic people. That is something truly different about beliefs. Come from the church or the people. Yeah people believe that sex before marriage is wrong, so? It is suppose to promote people being pure in the eyes of God. Their sense of purity. Again with masturbation. And you are leading into another topic here, you go off topic way too much. I love that little funny thing about you too. And what is "reason" to complain about false theories when they are never going to harm you in any way? Where is your reason to make fun of something that is an entity of beliefs? I am harming your beliefs, and you are getting frustrated. You are screaming through your computer, trying to say. "I think this s*** is true, believe it too." Hey, I rhymed there. And your opinion of religion, how something was not suppose to be and what was. You cannot dictate that, it just happens. If you say something was not meant to be, then you are taking away knowledge, which is something that no one can do once it is already out. If you try to dictate knowledge and the beliefs, you are trying to enter a role that you are better than anyone and it is like saying that you have a right to make it true, which you only have the right to say it. And John Smith is said to write it in people's eyes, but it is not completely proven. It is just the top theory of the creation of the book of mormon. I am sorry for making an accusation that seemed completely plausible because of how you are coming across, stone me to death then. Because you know, you're not making false accusations either.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Gasai Yuno' timestamp='1341203077' post='5965198']
I don't lhave a positive opinion on the Mormon religion because of the Youtube ads.
[/quote]

There are YouTube ads for everything.
So I don't look at the spot where they are.

Off-Topc: Daemon, I'm not a Mormon either. In fact, I stated earlier that I'm not a Christian.

I love how the Topic discussing Satan (and other names), delved into a debate about Mormonism (or religion generally in some contexts).
Daemon, I gave up. I'd say leave the poor wretch be.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote]
I like how you get so pissed in trying to prove something, and it just makes is so much fun. I mean, really funny.[/quote]
Never said I was mad. Sorry to disappoint.
[quote]The bible never said anything about homosexuality being bad. I love how much people influenced that with you. It only said that same sex marriage is wrong.[/quote]
"[i]Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.[/i]"
Leviticus 18:22
[quote]And things have changed over time. Their are homosexual pastures that are preaching the word of the lord, God to be more specific.[/quote]
Then they're doing it wrong. Considering the Bible was made by MAN!
[quote]"Condoms increase the chance of HIV"...What? That is not a belief of the church, but beliefs of the catholic people. That is something truly different about beliefs.[/quote]
A cardinal came out and even exclaimed that condoms had secret holes in it that allowed the HIV viruse to seep through and infect people.
[quote]Come from the church or the people. Yeah people believe that sex before marriage is wrong, so? It is suppose to promote people being pure in the eyes of God.[/quote]
Okay so apparently God watches you have sex and virginity is a stupid concept. "I lost my virginity" you lost nothing. Sex is sex and to make it other than what it is *Hormones* is illogical.
[quote]Their sense of purity. Again with masturbation. And you are leading into another topic here, you go off topic way too much. I love that little funny thing about you too. And what is "reason" to complain about false theories when they are never going to harm you in any way? Where is your reason to make fun of something that is an entity of beliefs? I am harming your beliefs, and you are getting frustrated. You are screaming through your computer, trying to say. "I think this s*** is true, believe it too." Hey, I rhymed there. And your opinion of religion, how something was not suppose to be and what was.[/quote]
I am not making fun of religion I am insulting it, why? Mostly because organized religion is a plague among man that promotes people to kill and believe in magical trees and a flying old fart. Atheism allows for clear, scientifically addressed morals without the need of stupid beliefs with no scientific proof.
[quote]You cannot dictate that, it just happens. If you say something was not meant to be, then you are taking away knowledge, which is something that no one can do once it is already out. If you try to dictate knowledge and the beliefs, you are trying to enter a role that you are better than anyone and it is like saying that you have a right to make it true, which you only have the right to say it.[/quote]
So noone is right then? I would say I am correct within the confines of this argument.
[quote]And John Smith is said to write it in people's eyes, but it is not completely proven. It is just the top theory of the creation of the book of mormon. I am sorry for making an accusation that seemed completely plausible because of how you are coming across, stone me to death then. Because you know, you're not making false accusations either.
[/quote]
I have better things to do than hurt a human being. This is merely an argument and I refuse to attack a person, just his/her belief.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341204628' post='5965226']
Never said I was mad. Sorry to disappoint.

"[i]Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.[/i]"
Leviticus 18:22

Then they're doing it wrong. Considering the Bible was made by MAN!

A cardinal came out and even exclaimed that condoms had secret holes in it that allowed the HIV viruse to seep through and infect people.

Okay so apparently God watches you have sex and virginity is a stupid concept. "I lost my virginity" you lost nothing. Sex is sex and to make it other than what it is *Hormones* is illogical.

I am not making fun of religion I am insulting it, why? Mostly because organized religion is a plague among man that promotes people to kill and believe in magical trees and a flying old fart. Atheism allows for clear, scientifically addressed morals without the need of stupid beliefs with no scientific proof.

So noone is right then? I would say I am correct within the confines of this argument.

I have better things to do than hurt a human being. This is merely an argument and I refuse to attack a person, just his/her belief.
[/quote]YOu lie to me now? Look at how you posted, with anger and annoyance, you words spoke it and you do not want to admit it now? Congrats on now letting that be. The thing with that quote it, it is only one sided apparently. It only speaks of male homosexuality, from how I interpret it. Female homosexuality is okay, and that is still a homosexual life style. And they are not living directly from the bible, it is a loose interpretation. Just because it was looked at as false back then, times change and so do people. The church is becoming more open, not just living by the bible. The bible was suppose to be looked as a way to live your life. Things in the bible aren't acceptable nowadays too, like stoning a woman for adultery. You cannot live by the bible exactly as they did, either. You seem to think that it is specifically how Christians look at it. A Cardinal, you just gave me the perfect example. He gave his own belief, trying to get people to live purely in the eye of God. And people are actually believing about it, even if you are an Atheist. Making fun of something and insulting it have the same ideas behind them too. Which then, you are stupid for thinking that all religions are the same, you are a plague with the idea that they all have the same affect. Muslims actually believed in a peaceful life style, that belief was tainted by people who wanted to seek out revenge, not the religion itself. People interpret religion in there own way, no matter how they learned it. There are no ways to live correctly with religion, just to obey the laws that it has given is a start. And you interpreted that part wrongly. You are giving information, not dictating it. That is what I am saying, try to look at things less loosely for once? By attacking a person's beliefs, you are also attack what that person stands for, the way he lives and sometimes the way he thinks. In the end, you are attacking the person.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote]
YOu lie to me now? Look at how you posted, with anger and annoyance, you words spoke it and you do not want to admit it now? Congrats on now letting that be.[/quote]
Okay, I really don't understand where you are getting the anger from but whatever. I do not believe anger is necessary in a discussion but if you seem to think I am angry well then it would be pointless to argue about it.
[quote]The church is becoming more open, not just living by the bible. The bible was suppose to be looked as a way to live your life. Things in the bible aren't acceptable nowadays too, like stoning a woman for adultery. You cannot live by the bible exactly as they did, either.[/quote]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NUdsuBySM[/media]
[quote]You seem to think that it is specifically how Christians look at it.[/quote]
No I insult the fact that a "God" cannot possibly exist within the confines of scientific investigation and is completely "Unbelievable" I also insult organized religion because it only creates problems and hinders progression in society. I don't care how people interpret the bible. They believe in a God that has absolutely no evidence whatsoever to prove its existence.
[quote]A Cardinal, you just gave me the perfect example. He gave his own belief, trying to get people to live purely in the eye of God.[/quote]
And the people ate it up like a bunch of easily indoctrinated fools.
[quote]And people are actually believing about it, even if you are an Atheist. Making fun of something and insulting it have the same ideas behind them too. Which then, you are stupid for thinking that all religions are the same, you are a plague with the idea that they all have the same affect.[/quote]
Christians don't kill in the name of christianity? Muslims don't kill in the name of Islam? Jews aren't insanely protected of a peace of rock that isn't worth their life? Hindu's don't still impose the caste system where people are shunned for the rest of their life?
[quote]Muslims actually believed in a peaceful life style, that belief was tainted by people who wanted to seek out revenge, not the religion itself. People interpret religion in there own way, no matter how they learned it. There are no ways to live correctly with religion, just to obey the laws that it has given is a start.[/quote]
Without religion entirely, we wouldn't have people intrpreting things the wrong way now would we?
[quote]And you interpreted that part wrongly. You are giving information, not dictating it. That is what I am saying, try to look at things less loosely for once? By attacking a person's beliefs, you are also attack what that person stands for, the way he lives and sometimes the way he thinks. In the end, you are attacking the person.
[/quote]
Beliefs change. I do not attack the person's reasons for his belief and I do not attack him because he believes in his religion but I will attack the religion. If the person's beliefs do not adhere to scientifical laws and cannot be proven by evidence and can be proved wrong they are wrong. And I feel it is necessary to tell the person they are wrong and why.

You have spouted generally the same thing over and over and over again. "Don't be so mean to religion", religion has been for many years been mean to us. We still can barely get Gay Marriage legislation passed why? Because of Christianity. Had religion never existed and we all looked towards science from the beginning, none of these things would be a problem now. Religion is flawed and has always been flawed but it isn't until now that people are starting to see how foolish the belief itself really is. Religion needs to die in order for humanity to progress. Yes, cardinals have one belief they are telling to people but unfortunately these cardinals hold high positions of religious power and so people (Roman Catholics) generally believe it out of fear of going to hell which has been the Catholic Church's main recruitment motto for years. There are senators in congress who believe that some reatard ate from a magic tree and screwed her boyfriend and her and that some random jew out of nowhere can perfomr miracles because he claims he is the son of God. And considering many people at the time were high on opium it wouldn't surprise me that they fell for it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't dare read it all because you just posted so many things that contradicted what you said earlier. Thanks for the laughs though, you really know how to put on a stupid show. Really, you do.
[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341204628' post='5965226']
This is merely an argument and I refuse to attack a person, just his/her belief.
[/quote]
[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341252275' post='5965521']
Okay, I really don't understand where you are getting the anger from but whatever. I do not believe anger is necessary in a discussion but if you seem to think I am angry well then it would be pointless to argue about it.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NUdsuBySM[/media]

No I insult the fact that a "God" cannot possibly exist within the confines of scientific investigation and is completely "Unbelievable" I also insult organized religion because it only creates problems and hinders progression in society. I don't care how people interpret the bible. They believe in a God that has absolutely no evidence whatsoever to prove its existence.
[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341204628' post='5965226']

Then they're doing it wrong. Considering the Bible was made by MAN!


I am not making fun of religion I am insulting it, why? Mostly because organized religion is a plague among man that promotes people to kill and believe in magical trees and a flying old fart. Atheism allows for clear, scientifically addressed morals without the need of stupid beliefs with no scientific proof.
[/quote]

Christians don't kill in the name of christianity? Muslims don't kill in the name of Islam? Jews aren't insanely protected of a peace of rock that isn't worth their life? Hindu's don't still impose the caste system where people are shunned for the rest of their life?

Beliefs change. I do not attack the person's reasons for his belief and I do not attack him because he believes in his religion but I will attack the religion. If the person's beliefs do not adhere to scientifical laws and cannot be proven by evidence and can be proved wrong they are wrong. And I feel it is necessary to tell the person they are wrong and why.
[/quote]

[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341204628' post='5965226']

Then they're doing it wrong. Considering the Bible was made by MAN!


I am not making fun of religion I am insulting it, why? Mostly because organized religion is a plague among man that promotes people to kill and believe in magical trees and a flying old fart. Atheism allows for clear, scientifically addressed morals without the need of stupid beliefs with no scientific proof.
[/quote]

[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341201692' post='5965184']
Actualy, uh, no. You are using my argument and twisting it into something far different. I used history as a guide of what NOT to do. While you say I use it as what TO do which is a fallacy.
[/quote]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Dae' timestamp='1341252730' post='5965526']
I don't dare read it all because you just posted so many things that contradicted what you said earlier. Thanks for the laughs though, you really know how to put on a stupid show. Really, you do.
[/quote]
You obviously have no idea what anger is. And considering all you have left is glueing my arguments togather like macaroni art. I am going to say this is over.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='James Bond - 007' timestamp='1341258810' post='5965626']
You obviously have no idea what anger is. And considering all you have left is glueing my arguments togather like macaroni art. I am going to say this is over.
[/quote]
And you obviously don't know how to come up with a cohesive argument.

You never change do you? Once someone brings up something religious you trudge around carrying the Hitchens banner and running around with pointless, egotistical, and hateful rhetoric. You think fighting fire with fire will solve all of the problems religion has caused for the world throughout its history when you fail to realize that being an outspoken douchebag about it doesn't help. All you do is increase the ferocity in fundamentalists and drive them into causing more trouble. You systematically find religion to be crap while you fanboy over science like a fundementalist christian when you fail to understand you are acting like one. Your entire argument consisted of you shoving a bunch of links into a page and a couple of videos from notable atheist activist's. Christopher Hitchens detested religion and believed it should be rediculed at every mention but he did so intelligently. Why? Because he knew what the hell he was talking about. You spend a couple of nights watching Bill maher and suddenly you know everything about Mormonism when you don't. In fact you even messed up your accusations about them on your second post.

I, like many other atheists and religious people I know including you, find Mormonism to be one of the most insane and stupid beliefs out there. However I don't go around acting like I know everything about Mormonism when I don't. I don't go up to Mormon people and tell them their belief is wrong because they won't change even if I prove them wrong. Your hatred for religion is stupid and your use of Hitchenology to fight it is also stupid. Attacking religion won't make it go away or help your cause so just stop it. You're not using logic btw in fact you are just using bad people to make an entire organization look bad which doesn't help.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Constantine Palaiologos XI' timestamp='1341259873' post='5965638']
And you obviously don't know how to come up with a cohesive argument.
You never change do you? Once someone brings up something religious you trudge around carrying the Hitchens banner and running around with pointless, egotistical, and hateful rhetoric. You think fighting fire with fire will solve all of the problems religion has caused for the world throughout its history when you fail to realize that being an outspoken douchebag about it doesn't help. All you do is increase the ferocity in fundamentalists and drive them into causing more trouble. You systematically find religion to be crap while you fanboy over science like a fundementalist christian when you fail to understand you are acting like one. Your entire argument consisted of you shoving a bunch of links into a page and a couple of videos from notable atheist activist's. Christopher Hitchens detested religion and believed it should be rediculed at every mention but he did so intelligently. Why? Because he knew what the hell he was talking about. You spend a couple of nights watching Bill maher and suddenly you know everything about Mormonism when you don't. In fact you even messed up your accusations about them on your second post.
I, like many other atheists and religious people I know including you, find Mormonism to be one of the most insane and stupid beliefs out there. However I don't go around acting like I know everything about Mormonism when I don't. I don't go up to Mormon people and tell them their belief is wrong because they won't change even if I prove them wrong. Your hatred for religion is stupid and your use of Hitchenology to fight it is also stupid. Attacking religion won't make it go away or help your cause so just stop it. You're not using logic btw in fact you are just using bad people to make an entire organization look bad which doesn't help.
[/quote]I like you a lot.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Constantine Palaiologos XI' timestamp='1341259873' post='5965638']
And you obviously don't know how to come up with a cohesive argument.

You never change do you? Once someone brings up something religious you trudge around carrying the Hitchens banner and running around with pointless, egotistical, and hateful rhetoric. You think fighting fire with fire will solve all of the problems religion has caused for the world throughout its history when you fail to realize that being an outspoken douchebag about it doesn't help. All you do is increase the ferocity in fundamentalists and drive them into causing more trouble. You systematically find religion to be crap while you fanboy over science like a fundementalist christian when you fail to understand you are acting like one. Your entire argument consisted of you shoving a bunch of links into a page and a couple of videos from notable atheist activist's. Christopher Hitchens detested religion and believed it should be rediculed at every mention but he did so intelligently. Why? Because he knew what the hell he was talking about. You spend a couple of nights watching Bill maher and suddenly you know everything about Mormonism when you don't. In fact you even messed up your accusations about them on your second post.

I, like many other atheists and religious people I know including you, find Mormonism to be one of the most insane and stupid beliefs out there. However I don't go around acting like I know everything about Mormonism when I don't. I don't go up to Mormon people and tell them their belief is wrong because they won't change even if I prove them wrong. Your hatred for religion is stupid and your use of Hitchenology to fight it is also stupid. Attacking religion won't make it go away or help your cause so just stop it. You're not using logic btw in fact you are just using bad people to make an entire organization look bad which doesn't help.
[/quote]

You and Daemon are some of the few people on this site I love.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Death Penguin' timestamp='1341271293' post='5965763']
You and Daemon are some of the few people on this site I love.
[/quote]
I feel suddenly special.
Don't mind 007 he is always like this on the internet. I prefer not to let personal feelings get in the way of my judgement.

He is a lot different irl. Lot nicer, open minded, and not a douchebag. Don't know why he acts like this on the interwebz.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Constantine Palaiologos XI' timestamp='1341288863' post='5965987']
He is a lot different irl. Lot nicer, open minded, and not a douchebag. Don't know why he acts like this on the interwebz.
[/quote]

It's the fact that he's not facing the people he's insulting. There's no face to face contact; the Internet has this effect on the some people, the anonymity of the person, the fact that you will probably not meet the people you're hating / insulting, like a "get out from jail" card.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1341698794' post='5969784']
It's the fact that he's not facing the people he's insulting. There's no face to face contact; the Internet has this effect on the some people, the anonymity of the person, the fact that you will probably not meet the people you're hating / insulting, like a "get out from jail" card.
[/quote]
I hope ou are not implying that that is his true personality because if you are you are wrong. If not then sorry for the misconception.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Constantine Palaiologos XI' timestamp='1341699380' post='5969801']
I hope ou are not implying that that is his true personality because if you are you are wrong. If not then sorry for the misconception.
[/quote]

I'm speaking out from experience. You could say that I'm like him, as the Internet does have the same effect on me. I do tend to say stuff online to other people that I wouldn't say in real life, but that doesn't happen often. So no, I wasn't implying that that was his true personality.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1341700044' post='5969819']
I'm speaking out from experience. You could say that I'm like him, as the Internet does have the same effect on me. I do tend to say stuff online to other people that I wouldn't say in real life, but that doesn't happen often. So no, I wasn't implying that that was his true personality.
[/quote]
Sorry fo my misconception and sorry fo my sensitivity. I owe that man a lot so I tend to get a little over protective.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...