-Berserker- Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Both to 0 and Fishborg to 1? That would make me very happy, and that chance could even mean one of those two plant guys can be unbanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1343173207' post='5988043'] I could see that Nightmare is definitely butthurt. Very well, since there aren't too many ways to generically summon the Zars outside of lolrabbit, the Zars aren't broken themselves. If you hit the Rabbit, then no one would think that they were bad design anymore. [/quote] tbh I think Dino Rabbit would be significantly more tolerable with Dolkka gone. hence why I said bare minimum. If I was interested in slaughtering the deck outright I'd get rid of Rabbit too Hitting Dolkka wouldn't kill Evols either and I happen to find Laggia rather tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1343180224' post='5988127'] tbh I think Dino Rabbit would be significantly more tolerable with Dolkka gone. hence why I said bare minimum. If I was interested in slaughtering the deck outright I'd get rid of Rabbit too Hitting Dolkka wouldn't kill Evols either and I happen to find Laggia rather tolerable. [/quote] Dino Rabbit should be slaughtered in all honesty since It relies on the broken card design that is rabbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1343180431' post='5988129'] Dino Rabbit should be slaughtered in all honesty since It relies on the broken card design that is rabbit. [/quote] So you're the type of person who thinks that slaughtering a deck is okay if it utilizes overpowered cards? Welcome to the minority! [size=1]my nigga[/size] Like I said, there'd be a few more changes if I was interested in making an actual legitimate list, and I'd take more into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 BLS definitely to 0. Chaos Sorc maybe to 2 or 1 since he has seen a high surge in popularity with Chaos resurfacing. Also, I'm thinking of having Veiler go down to maybe 2 or 1 due to her versatility while people will be able to replace the lost copies with Forbidden Chalice, which do not have as many versatile uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1343180884' post='5988133'] So you're the type of person who thinks that slaughtering a deck is okay if it utilizes overpowered cards? Welcome to the minority. [/quote] if the entire deck is based around abusing those cards, that's a kind of obvious yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 How great would this game be if they banned Effect Veiler. That sounds pretty sexy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Well, after a quick look on pojo I saw debates over Oppression, Cold Wave, and Rabbit semi'd. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1030258 http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1066350 I'm looking more forward to school than this banlist if any of this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citrine Serpent Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1343181644' post='5988147'] How great would this game be if they banned Effect Veiler. That sounds pretty sexy to me. [/quote] Omg yes. It's not bad enough and likely won't happen but it's absurd how every deck must run 2/3 to survive. I hate running it myself but you've gotta do what you've gotta do :/ iirc widespread, forced use was the logic used to put book @ 1 so It's possible Veiler could get a little list attention. [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1343182486' post='5988162'] Well, after a quick look on pojo I saw debates over Oppression, Cold Wave, and Rabbit semi'd. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1030258 http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1066350 I'm looking more forward to school than this banlist if any of this happens. [/quote] Pojo is godawful, their article writers don't even examine an entire under the radar archetype when writing a card of the day on a member card. The first list is pure idiotic xyz fanboyism and the second shows a lack of understanding sources of problems. Konami can be bad, but not THAT bad with the exception of bls coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1343181644' post='5988147'] How great would this game be if they banned Effect Veiler. That sounds pretty sexy to me. [/quote]HIERATICS OTK ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY [quote name='Citrine Serpent' timestamp='1343190750' post='5988297'] Omg yes. It's not bad enough and likely won't happen but it's absurd how every deck must run 2/3 to survive. I hate running it myself but you've gotta do what you've gotta do :/ iirc widespread, forced use was the logic used to put book @ 1 so It's possible Veiler could get a little list attention. [/quote]...what do you mean 'Omg yes'? Effect Veiler is the only thing standing between YOU and the giant pile of s*** that actually SHOULD be put on the banlist. Book was placed because it was extremely powerful no matter what the opponent was playing in defense AND offense. Veiler is run because of a few decks that kill everything if you don't. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citrine Serpent Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1343191590' post='5988304'] HIERATICS OTK ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY ...what do you mean 'Omg yes'? Effect Veiler is the only thing standing between YOU and the giant pile of s*** that actually SHOULD be put on the banlist. Book was placed because it was extremely powerful no matter what the opponent was playing in defense AND offense. Veiler is run because of a few decks that kill everything if you don't. There's a HUGE difference between the two. [/quote] Meh, my statement was in the context of moving into a format where Veiler is not needed to exist because the rediculous plays it blocks have been taken care of by the new banlist, not removing it and only it right now. I suppose the idea of banning it is absurd but I would like a metagame where it's presence is reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Citrine Serpent' timestamp='1343193304' post='5988336'] Meh, my statement was in the context of moving into a format where Veiler is not needed to exist because the rediculous plays it blocks have been taken care of by the new banlist, not removing it and only it right now. I suppose the idea of banning it is absurd but I would like a metagame where it's presence is reduced. [/quote]With any context, your statement was that they should hit veiler so that we won't have to run it. Even if veiler's limited, in the current format, we NEED it to be at 3. Banning it doesn't make the problems go away, it just makes all the ones that veiler, well, veiled, rise up out of the depths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1343182486' post='5988162'] Well, after a quick look on pojo I saw debates over Oppression, Cold Wave, and Rabbit semi'd. [url="http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1030258"]http://www.pojo.biz/...d.php?t=1030258[/url] [url="http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1066350"]http://www.pojo.biz/...d.php?t=1066350[/url] I'm looking more forward to school than this banlist if any of this happens. [/quote] Pojo writers said The Shining was the absolute worst E-HERO Fusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranma1/2 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1343220416' post='5988505'] Pojo writers said The Shining was the absolute worst E-HERO Fusion [/quote] that's only because pojo doesn't know how to play the game. at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1343191590' post='5988304'] HIERATICS OTK ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY [/quote] Chalice still exists, and playing smart won't get you killed by Hieratics either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1343225477' post='5988559'] Chalice still exists, and playing smart won't get you killed by Hieratics either. [/quote] MST is a card. How do you play smart against Hieratics exactly? Never play a monster and prey they don't draw Nepthet or Convocation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Vengevine' timestamp='1343229543' post='5988615'] MST is a card. How do you play smart against Hieratics exactly? Never play a monster and prey they don't draw Nepthet or Convocation? [/quote]Play Chain Burn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 To be honest, Book of Moon shouldn't even be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Tracks Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1343181644' post='5988147'] How great would this game be if they banned Effect Veiler. That sounds pretty sexy to me. [/quote] To be quite honest, I'm not sure if you're serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Dark Depths is banned because of Vampire Hexmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343181350' post='5988141'] if the entire deck is based around abusing those cards, that's a kind of obvious yes. [/quote] A lot of other people seem to think otherwise. I don't think any deck has the inherent right to be competitive. Plenty of other deck types aren't, so why should any given deck be considered special, especially if it requires the use of an (even marginally) overpowered card? see: Dark Worlds w/ Grapha and Inzektors with Hornet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1343240187' post='5988758'] A lot of other people seem to think otherwise. I don't think any deck has the inherent right to be competitive. Plenty of other deck types aren't, so why should any given deck be considered special, especially if it requires the use of an overpowered card? see: Dark Worlds w/ Grapha and Inzektors with Hornet [/quote] Blame Konami. Their motto: [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/chickybonita/Fat20and20Smoking.jpg[/IMG] because they think that they are all better than us *nods head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 If a deck needs to rely on broken cards to be competitive,then it doesnt deserve to be competitive,plain and simple. Man i would love torrential,book of moon and goats at 3,would make everything so much slower and less derpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='DDae' timestamp='1343238473' post='5988734'] Dark Depths is banned because of Vampire Hexmage. [/quote] That's mainly because Dark Depths has no good use outside of broken use with Hexmage while Hexmage has no broken uses outside Dark Depths and has many other good uses. Konami used the same logic as Wizards when they banned Mass Driver instead of the 20+ summon loops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 [quote name='Mysty' timestamp='1343242854' post='5988785'] That's mainly because Dark Depths has no good use outside of broken use with Hexmage while Hexmage has no broken uses outside Dark Depths and has many other good uses. [/quote] Because MtG talk in a YGO thread isn't a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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