Zowayix Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090524054633/yugioh/images/8/8d/RelaySoul-JP-Anime-DM.png[/img] "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Points"]ライフポイント[/url]が0になったときに発動。[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hand"]手札[/url]より[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Card"]モンスター[/url]を1体[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summon"]特殊召喚[/url]する。[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Duel"]デュエル[/url]の敗北条件を特殊召喚したモンスターが[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destroy"]破壊[/url]された時とする。" I'm not sure about the meaning of the last sentence. Google Translate does not help at all, so I will need someone who can understand Japanese fluently. Interpretation 1: "When that monster is destroyed, you lose the Duel." This is the most likely interpretation, and is approximately what Google Translate gives me. However, it makes no sense because it does not mention that the monster's presence prevents the player from losing. Based off the text alone, the player would have lost anyway because their Life Points were 0, and merely SS'ing a monster doesn't change that. Interpretation 2: "You cannot lose the Duel until that monster is destroyed." In this case, you must be both at 0 LP and have the monster be destroyed to lose. If you use Dian Keto the Cure Master and then the monster is destroyed, you are still in the game because now you have 1000 LP, not 0. Note that the text literally means that if the monster should leave the field without being destroyed, the player can never lose the Duel. Interpretation 3: "You lose the Duel if and only if that monster is destroyed." This is the interpretation I submitted to the wikia, and is a direct combination of interpretations 1 and 2 put together. This completely removes all the player's defeat conditions, replacing them entirely with the destruction of the SS'ed monster. If you use Dian Keto and then the monster is destroyed, you still lose. It also has the same "leave the field without being destroyed" loophole that Interpretation 2 does. Note that the card text says nothing about the monster being face-up on the field, or anything involving the field. It specifically creates a lingering effect triggered only by the monster being destroyed, and nothing else. I just need to know the specifics involving this lingering effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 When your Life Points become 0: Special Summon 1 monster from your hand. The losing condition of the game becomes "when that monster is destroyed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 You should be able to special summon Vennominaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekko1990 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Just summon Obelisk the Tormentor and then you won't be able to lose the game if he survives till the end phase (which he most likely will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1346422050' post='6016591'] Just summon Obelisk the Tormentor and then you won't be able to lose the game if he survives till the end phase (which he most likely will). [/quote] Then your opponent uses Crush Card Virus... o-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1346388497' post='6016461'] When your Life Points become 0: Special Summon 1 monster from your hand. The losing condition of the game becomes "when that monster is destroyed". [/quote] Does that mean that (back then) using it for Ritual/Fusion/Tribute Summon/cost/banishing it would make the player not loose? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1346423486' post='6016605'] Does that mean that (back then) using it for Ritual/Fusion/Tribute Summon/cost/banishing it would make the player not loose? xD [/quote] That makes it so ridic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346392668' post='6016486'] You should be able to special summon Vennominaga [/quote] Anime logic lets you bypass nomi-conditions, hurr hurr hurr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowayix Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1346388497' post='6016461'] When your Life Points become 0: Special Summon 1 monster from your hand. The losing condition of the game becomes "when that monster is destroyed". [/quote] Thank you, this was I was looking for. So Interpretation 3 is correct then. And to everyone else above, yes, this card indeed makes it impossible to lose the Duel if that monster leaves the field without being destroyed. Divine Serpent does the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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