El Majishan Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 [center][img]http://i49.tinypic.com/2d9d0e9.png[/img][/center] So its apparently the "top deck this format" (mind you the format just started and its far from defined....so its too soon to say which deck is the best IMO...but I digress) With the limiting of Zenmaity the deck can no longer loop your entire hand...but it can still OTK out the ass and drop Shock Master like its no body's business. People rejoiced when the list put my cute little boat at one...but they started bitching once again as soon as they realized the deck didn't need Zenmaity or the Loop to be good. In YCM's opinion what is the problem card in the deck at this time? Shark or Magician? (I also find it funny how people went from saying the deck is bad a few months ago to saying its the best deck) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Special Summoning from the deck is always a stupid mechanic (unless heavily restricted like Giant Rat and Tomato). I don't even like E-Tele, and you see how just SEARCHING the deck can meet disastrous results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Very true....from the deck just makes everything "free" as you don't use up any cards in your hand allowing you to over extend at little cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Magician SS from the Deck was bad. Shark broke it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Oh wow, an exclusive -two, the Rabbit is there too- broke a Deck, despite hitting it still tops. I'm starting to see a pattern here, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 It follows Pokemon logic.....If its cute, make it broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Magician is the card that should be hit IMO, putting that to 1 makes the Deck much Tamer as it can't make the Butterfly play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 [quote name='Kabasaurus' timestamp='1347217084' post='6022214'] Magician is the card that should be hit IMO, putting that to 1 makes the Deck much Tamer as it can't make the Butterfly play. [/quote] You can still search it out, so there isn't too much of a difference. It just makes it so you HAVE to run 3 Factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1347222420' post='6022244'] You can still search it out, so there isn't too much of a difference. It just makes it so you HAVE to run 3 Factory. [/quote] The point I'm making is that you can't use the 2 Magician to make Butterfly to switch your Rat to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1347222420' post='6022244'] You can still search it out, so there isn't too much of a difference. It just makes it so you HAVE to run 3 Factory. [/quote] The common play is Magician > Shark > Magician to Magician > Shark > Magician to Shark > win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 [quote name='Grapha Demon Lord of Sexy' timestamp='1347223314' post='6022251'] The common play is Magician > Shark > Magician to Magician > Shark > Magician to Shark > win [/quote] Wait, but I thought Shark's Summon was inherent and not an effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1347232989' post='6022335'] Wait, but I thought Shark's Summon was inherent and not an effect? [/quote] looks like you've been missing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1347232989' post='6022335'] Wait, but I thought Shark's Summon was inherent and not an effect? [/quote] It has a colon. It's an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Kabasaurus' timestamp='1347217084' post='6022214'] Magician is the card that should be hit IMO, putting that to 1 makes the Deck much Tamer as it can't make the Butterfly play. [/quote] Putting it to one does not really do much....the deck can still combo off one magician...it wont be s broken....but it would still be ridiculous. You can still go Magician, Shark...get Rat, make Papill, detach Shark put Rat in Atk, get Shark back with Rat, search another Shark with Factory, Make Shark Lvl 3, make Zenmaity, SS shark from the Deck, SS Shark from your Hand, make both Sharks lvl5, make Tiras/Audrus/Volca. Your Field is now, Papilloperative, Zenmaity and Tiras/Audrus/Volca just from1 Magician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='βyakk' timestamp='1347242136' post='6022401'] looks like you've been missing out [/quote] For some reason I hadn't been paying attention to that till now o,o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347245732' post='6022439'] Putting it to one does not really do much....the deck can still combo off one magician...it wont be s broken....but it would still be ridiculous. You can still go Magician, Shark...get Rat, make Papill, detach Shark put Rat in Atk, get Shark back with Rat, search another Shark with Factory, Make Shark Lvl 3, make Zenmaity, SS shark from the Deck, SS Shark from your Hand, make both Sharks lvl5, make Tiras/Audrus/Volca. Your Field is now, Papilloperative, Zenmaity and Tiras/Audrus/Volca just from1 Magician. [/quote]Notice how you needed a Shark to do any of that. I think we should go 1 Magician and 0 Shark. Good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1347271557' post='6022532'] For some reason I hadn't been paying attention to that till now o,o[/quote] Which is the sole reason why Shark broke everything, and turned the deck into: [img]http://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/88256NoHandAnywhere.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 The fact that people used to think: "Wind-ups don't win unless they loop" meant they were bad players. Wind-ups are so much more flexible than that...EVEN AT A 60card.dek!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1347289710' post='6022586'] Notice how you needed a Shark to do any of that. I think we should go 1 Magician and 0 Shark. Good plan. [/quote] Why not just go 0 magician 0 tour guide and go from there? No super easy +infinity plays and a lot less free xyzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Then Factory would be next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I just think we need a general consensus on how SS from deck should be applied. For example, floaters like Mystic Tomato are fine because they: 1. Are a +0 2. Requires player interaction. Actually, you could just say that #2 counts for everything. As long as there's player interaction, a SS from the deck is fine. As for searching from Deck to hand... well no one seems to like the common +1 plays from Stratos or Factory, but I don't see how we go about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I think number 2 on that list can sub for "is reactive,not proactive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Same thing happens with Spy... essentially. Either it takes time to search or your Opponent affects it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I actually don't think Spy is particularly good design. Tomato is different in that there are more ways to make the efforts to take advantage of it go south (that and it's a +0), but there are very few ways to stop Spy from giving you a free monster. It also has too much defense for an effect like that. [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120616113861/yugioh/images/a/a5/MagicDrain-BP01-EN-C-1E.png[/img] I'd love it if more cards were designed like this one, in the sense that the opponent essentially gets to choose the cost, balance priorities with cards, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1347289710' post='6022586'] Notice how you needed a Shark to do any of that. I think we should go 1 Magician and 0 Shark. Good plan. [/quote] Then the deck does absolutely nothing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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