Agro Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 [center][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110910005706/yugioh/images/1/11/WindUpMagicianGENF-EN-R-1E.jpg[/img][/center] You can get angry and complain all you want about Wind-Up Shark being broken as f***, but if you do, you're wrong. Shark is a fairly balanced card offset by some unbalanced ones, including Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity and Wind-Up Factory, but mainly by Wind-Up Magician. To start, it Special Summons straight from the deck. Everyone should know by now that I absolutely hate the design of most cards that are allowed to Special Summon from the Deck. The only ones that usually get exceptions to this rule are those that are either a +0 like Emergency Teleport, which even then are borderline unbalanced, and those that require player to player interaction like Flamvell Firedog or Mystic Tomato. And on top of that, they didn't even make sure it couldn't summon itself, which, with everything else involved, is just absolutely stupid since one Shark will get 2 extra monsters on the field out of nowhere. I think we should consider ourselves lucky that Magician doesn't trigger another magician- though I doubt that would matter much anyway. The only "balance" this card has is in its Level Restriction and Once while face-up restrictions. One of which doesn't matter since all its targets are Level 4 or lower (though it's still good design to do that just in case they ever make one that's above) and the other rarely matters as you're going to be using it as Xyz Material anyway. I'm being serious when I say this card, by itself, has much worse design than even Inzektor Dragonfly. Suggested Action: Forbidden Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 zenmaity doesn't have a g in it damn it OCG has Shark now and since they also have access to Volcasaurus, Wind-ups can get finally get hit (again). Watch Konami decide Shark is the problem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 >Summons from the Deck ...Basically Magician's problem in a nutshell. Wind-Ups do have some decent deck searching, so giving them a card that can grab from the deck was just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Totally deserves to be banned even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I have friends who argue that Shark is the problem (they don't see this sort of mechanic as an issue if it requires two normal summons to set up). While their point of view is understandable, Shark would merely be a good toolboxing card if you banned Magician/Factory - hell, you could leave Zenmaity because at best you're going to +0 into a relatively weak monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1351280688' post='6054402'] >Summons from the Deck ...Basically Magician's problem in a nutshell. Wind-Ups do have some decent deck searching, so giving them a card that can grab from the deck was just stupid. [/quote] Summoning from hand is generally usually accepted as trash. Summoning from graveyard is covered by Rat. You all alternatively suggest? Summoning this and Rat with Zenmailstrom... mwahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1351288632' post='6054493'] Summoning from hand is generally usually accepted as trash. Summoning from graveyard is covered by Rat. You all alternatively suggest? Summoning this and Rat with Zenmailstrom... mwahahaha. [/quote]I suggest we ban it and don't look for an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Would probably be fine at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1351291129' post='6054509'] Would probably be fine at 1. [/quote]Putting it at 1 eliminates the issue of it being able to summon itself for Shark to abuse it twice, it's core principle should have it get kicked to 0 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Agreed, at 1 it's still Magician + Shark into Rat, overlay for Papilloperative, eff (dump Shark), Rat eff to bring back Shark, Shark lvl 3, Zenmaity, into Rabbit (or whatever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Personally I dont think any searcher should be able to search itself... EVER! Cards like this and that Madolche one will be abused one way or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1351300642' post='6054617'] Personally I dont think any searcher should be able to search itself... EVER! Cards like this and that Madolche one will be abused one way or another [/quote] Pretty much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherz Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1351300642' post='6054617'] Personally I dont think any searcher should be able to search itself... EVER! [/quote] Naturia Cliff? ;~; Thats okay, Cliff is a naturia, so, itz cool. OT: magician was a horrible card designe. Only pluses. Banning it is the best way to go. I would also like a limit on factory please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1351300642' post='6054617'] Personally I dont think any searcher should be able to search itself... EVER! Cards like this and that Madolche one will be abused one way or another [/quote] Giant Rat utilizes a broken mechanic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1351374145' post='6055158'] Giant Rat utilizes a broken mechanic? [/quote]The exception being p2p interactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'll just giggle to myself at how everyone said this card was "bad" last format....now people run 3 and cry that is broken. The card was always broken...from the first time I saw it printed in Gen Force I said "oh mi gosh" and jizzed on myself. Its also funny that its stupidly easy to stop the magician/shark combo...just most people who play this game are terrible and don't understand rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='El Majishan' timestamp='1351409471' post='6055452'] Its also funny that its stupidly easy to stop the magician/shark combo...just most people who play this game are terrible and don't understand rulings. [/quote]Easy to Stop =/= Not Bad Design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351411493' post='6055456'] Easy to Stop =/= Not Bad Design [/quote] Thats why I clearly said the card is broken in the same post....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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