Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Kabbles' timestamp='1351367822' post='6055085'] So why did you ban stuff like Stele? [/quote]There's a certain type of advantage I hit against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Stele basically laughs at your opponent after you play Tribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1351368316' post='6055092'] Stele basically laughs at your opponent after you play Tribute. [/quote]What Tribute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351368401' post='6055093'] What Tribute? [/quote] Derp Royal Tribute. And I should have quoted that to be more specific. I apologize for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Tribute is banned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1351368430' post='6055095'] Derp Royal Tribute. And I should have quoted that to be more specific. I apologize for the confusion. [/quote] [quote name='Kabbles' timestamp='1351368466' post='6055096'] Tribute is banned... [/quote]Like I said.[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351368401' post='6055093'] What Tribute? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I meant without this custom banlist, but I guess that works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Well the basic idea is that you're +1ing without any player interaction and hardly any restrictions. In fact, you're basically saying "f*** off" to your opponent and to restrictions by getting around Necrovalley. It's there for the same reason that Salvage and Expressroid are on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Let's make everything bad, yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Pretty much my thoughts on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Bad is relative to what's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 What's the logic behind Expressroid being forbidden? Sure, it's a +2 but you gotta run really terrible cards with no synergy with one another just to make it work. If you're doing that, you might as well ban Ojamagic and Agent of Creation - Venus too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1351378114' post='6055188'] What's the logic behind Expressroid being forbidden? Sure, it's a +2 but you gotta run really terrible cards with no synergy with one another just to make it work. If you're doing that, you might as well ban Ojamagic and Agent of Creation - Venus too. [/quote]True, but this is mainly a basic call to card design. I don't expect half of these cards to move on the banlist, but I'm using this as a way to show that such cards do have fundamental flaws in their design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I just want to hear your points on a few things. how does this stop or at least limit to -1ing self fapping decks that just draw or search to their extra deck based victory combos? this is a big point that needs to be considered. from deck 0s are fine to me, because your not able to grab a cad that will always be there to grab, as long as the grab is equal to, relatively, what is grabbing it. have you do have temperance on there, so I assume you are trying to hit those, correct? does this stop any current loops or free plusing we have currently going on, like rabbit, windup and rescue, or dark world spam? samurai need to lose that quickplay too btw, asceticism. it lets them insta summon shen from the extra for a -1 off a special summoned monster that veiler can't stop, and it's bloody hard to get around honestly early game with nothing setup yet, meaning I have to neg 2 myself minimum usually in anything that isn't top tier big monster beatdown, plus they usually have everything and the kitchen sink backing him up unless you have some other way to get around that. I am assuming that the normal ban list is added to this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 This would be "back to Symbols Fish" to me. Coelacanth pluses from the deck without player interaction so it's ok where it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1351371653' post='6055127'] Let's make everything bad, yay! [/quote] If everything's bad then everything's decent. Oh and: [url="http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/topic/43667-heres-a-banlist-my-friend-made/"]http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/topic/43667-heres-a-banlist-my-friend-made/[/url] I wanna see what these guys say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='Grapha Demon Lord of Sexy' timestamp='1351380813' post='6055211'] If everything's bad then everything's decent. Oh and: [url="http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/topic/43667-heres-a-banlist-my-friend-made/"]http://forum.dueling...my-friend-made/[/url] I wanna see what these guys say. [/quote]DN's a bunch of fun still, I see. Any added suggestions from you? I'm still thinking over what I should do about the Gadgets and Treeborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Don't forget Ronintoadin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='Grapha Demon Lord of Sexy' timestamp='1351383623' post='6055234'] Don't forget Ronintoadin. [/quote]Yeah, both of them have issues. I also should be considering Naturia Pineapple if that's the case, along with Destiny HERO - Malicious and BW - Zephyros. EDIT: Remind me never to click on a link to DN Forums. EDIT2: Changes made: Forbidden: Ronintoadin, Treeborn Frog, Naturia Pineapple Limited: Semi: Machine Gearframe, Red Gadget, Green Gadget, Yellow Gadget Undecided: Blackwing - Zephyros the Elite, Destiny HERO - Malicious Also, I just realized how amazingly balanced Machina Fortress is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's a sad day when I agree with a person on the DN forums. Mostly with the guy saying that DrRed was arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1351386253' post='6055259'] It's a sad day when I agree with a person on the DN forums. Mostly with the guy saying that DrRed was arrogant. [/quote]DrRED wasn't being THAT arrogant. Wait, why am I speaking in 3rd person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Primal seed at any more than 1 screws up traditional format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 But apparently, Traditional doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1351387172' post='6055265'] Primal seed at any more than 1 screws up traditional format [/quote] Wasn't it unlimited before? Nobody seemed to be complaining then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1351387172' post='6055265'] Primal seed at any more than 1 screws up traditional format [/quote] [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1351387701' post='6055271'] But apparently, Traditional doesn't matter. [/quote]Primal seed was unlimited before BLS came back. Once it came back, it was limited. Yeah, I'm sure if this banlist came out everyone would complain about how stupid traditional format is. Not like it isn't already. EDIT: Realized an error, Majileine to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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