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[quote][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Target"]Target[/url] 1 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Face-up"]face-up[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Effect_Monster"]Effect Monster[/url] your opponent [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Controls"]controls[/url]; that target's[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Effect"]effects[/url] are [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Negate"]negated[/url] until the end of this [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Turn"]turn[/url]. You can [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Banish"]banish[/url] this card from your [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Graveyard"]Graveyard[/url] to target 1 face-up Effect Monster your opponent controls; negate its effect until the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/End_Phase"]End Phase[/url]. This effect[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activate"]activated[/url] by banishing cannot be activated the turn this card is sent to the Graveyard and can only be activated during your turn.[/quote]
I-is that a baby Shark Drake?
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VEiler is nice because he won't be MSTed, Chalice is nice because it can help you ram over stuff, this is nice because it can activate in response to MST and then once more from the Grave. Oh and Bounzer is Nice because it's an easy Rank 6 that negates, burns and is a beater.

So yeah, I'd find room for this in the proper builds.

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I like this better than Veiler because Veiler sucks to have in hand and it's weak as hell. Sure, it's more versatile, but the fact that this has uses even after being hit by MST or things along those lines means overall it's much better, at least in my opinion.

On paper, it looks like it has the potential to be a big game changer.

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[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352476716' post='6064731']
Its secondary effect is almost never going to be used, except to poop on a Tragoedia.
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Did you even read the card? It's a second usage of it, just not the turn it uses the first effect. It'll get baited more often than not, but you still ruin a play with it.

Pros:
Doesn't clog the hand
Negates twice for the same price as Veiler
Is not restricted as to when it's used at all, sans being unable to double it u[
Can serve as MST bait

Cons:
Isn't a surprise from the hand
Is easily baited after first effect
Isn't a LIGHT Spellcaster

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[quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352477140' post='6064733']
Did you even read the card? It's a second usage of it, just not the turn it uses the first effect. It'll get baited more often than not, but you still ruin a play with it.

Pros:
Doesn't clog the hand
Negates twice for the same price as Veiler
Is not restricted as to when it's used at all, sans being unable to double it u[
Can serve as MST bait

Cons:
Isn't a surprise from the hand
Is easily baited after first effect
Isn't a LIGHT Spellcaster
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Its second use can only be on your turn.

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[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352477609' post='6064739']
Its second use can only be on your turn.
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And?

So it's not as versatile, doesn't change that it's still versatile. A /free/ effect negation on your turn is not bad in any way.

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[quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352477860' post='6064744']
And?

So it's not as versatile, doesn't change that it's still versatile. A /free/ effect negation on your turn is not bad in any way.
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It's also almost never useful. The only Meta targets I can think of are Tragoedia, Zenmaines, Laggia/Dolkka, and uhh... That's it.

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[quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352477860' post='6064744']
And?
So it's not as versatile, doesn't change that it's still versatile. A /free/ effect negation on your turn is not bad in any way.
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Exactly, what the best part you can save it when the time is right. Most common situation that you use the first effect on your opponent's turn, and the second effect is to back you up when you go on offensive while a monster on the field is in your way.

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[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352478019' post='6064748']
It's also almost never useful. The only Meta targets I can think of are Tragoedia, Zenmaines, Laggia/Dolkka, and uhh... That's it.
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You seem to be forgetting the importance of the word "Free". It's a completely extra, free effect. Chump Blockers tend to eat resources, this makes it so they don't. Same for Laggia and Dolkka (They're meta?), and a few other things.

If it was the main effect, yes, it would suck. But it's a completely free effect that lets you use up less advantage.

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[quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352479105' post='6064773']
The secondary effect DOESN'T suck =/

If it was the entire effect it would, but being a free activation in exchange for banishing itself from grave is not shitty at all, and will sit there and wait to save you advantage.
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You really can't seem to break yourself away from having the two effects together, so never mind. You are impossible to reason with.

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[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352479846' post='6064793']
You really can't seem to break yourself away from having the two effects together, so never mind. You are impossible to reason with.
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No, you just don't seem to realize that you can't just say "this effect sucks" when it's not a stand alone. You can't break the two effects apart as usage is what makes an effect viable.

This shouldn't be a hard concept. It's like saying Tuningware is broken while Aster Drawn is s*** (for sake of argument) or Scrap Dragon is broken while that new Wolf Xyz is s*** (Same). It depends on how the effect is applied. You can't blanket say "this effect sucks" when it has uses and is in addition to an existing effect. It's a +0 effect that keeps you from wasting advantage. Are you always gonna need it? No, but it's free, so it doesn't suck.

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Once again. I am not saying that the card sucks. I am saying that the SECOND effect sucks. The first and second effect are not the same. They are on the same card, but not the same effect. I am not comparing Jar of Greed or Pot of Greed. Just because the effect exists on the same card does not make it a good effect.

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