Northern Sage Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [img]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3408/breakthroughskill.jpg[/img] [quote][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Target"]Target[/url] 1 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Face-up"]face-up[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Effect_Monster"]Effect Monster[/url] your opponent [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Controls"]controls[/url]; that target's[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Effect"]effects[/url] are [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Negate"]negated[/url] until the end of this [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Turn"]turn[/url]. You can [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Banish"]banish[/url] this card from your [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Graveyard"]Graveyard[/url] to target 1 face-up Effect Monster your opponent controls; negate its effect until the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/End_Phase"]End Phase[/url]. This effect[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activate"]activated[/url] by banishing cannot be activated the turn this card is sent to the Graveyard and can only be activated during your turn.[/quote] I-is that a baby Shark Drake? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 So, Effect Veiler in Trap form. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Tama the Chibi Sage' timestamp='1352469192' post='6064629'] I-is that a baby Shark Drake? Discuss. [/quote] No, that's Dolkka, Baby. Second time a TCG exclusive appears on the art of a CBLZ card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 This is f***ing fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Looks more like Evolzar Dolkka to me. Nice card. Might have an use in non-Spellcaster Solidarity Decks for substituting Effect Veiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 VEiler is nice because he won't be MSTed, Chalice is nice because it can help you ram over stuff, this is nice because it can activate in response to MST and then once more from the Grave. Oh and Bounzer is Nice because it's an easy Rank 6 that negates, burns and is a beater. So yeah, I'd find room for this in the proper builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Guiz, Effect Veiler is already a trap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 It's a hand trap. Not A trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1352474609' post='6064695'] It's a hand trap. Not A trap. [/quote] I was talking about [spoiler='This kind of trap] [img]http://s1.wallls.com/preview/1/trap-shemale-transvestite-bailey-jay-6904.jpg[/img] [/spoiler] Sheesh. Why are you people always so literal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Because Veiler isn't a trap. She was in an all girl pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Lol this one can go off up to 6 times in a duel assume if you ever run 3 in the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I like this better than Veiler because Veiler sucks to have in hand and it's weak as hell. Sure, it's more versatile, but the fact that this has uses even after being hit by MST or things along those lines means overall it's much better, at least in my opinion. On paper, it looks like it has the potential to be a big game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Several things. 1. Effect Veiler is a GIRL. 2. Nice as this is, I still prefer Veiler. 3. Its nice, thats for sure. Might try and find room for it. 4. Does this look like a Vocaloid? Didn't think so. 5. Yeah, thats Dolka, not Shark Drake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Its secondary effect is almost never going to be used, except to poop on a Tragoedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352476716' post='6064731'] Its secondary effect is almost never going to be used, except to poop on a Tragoedia. [/quote] Did you even read the card? It's a second usage of it, just not the turn it uses the first effect. It'll get baited more often than not, but you still ruin a play with it. Pros: Doesn't clog the hand Negates twice for the same price as Veiler Is not restricted as to when it's used at all, sans being unable to double it u[ Can serve as MST bait Cons: Isn't a surprise from the hand Is easily baited after first effect Isn't a LIGHT Spellcaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352477140' post='6064733'] Did you even read the card? It's a second usage of it, just not the turn it uses the first effect. It'll get baited more often than not, but you still ruin a play with it. Pros: Doesn't clog the hand Negates twice for the same price as Veiler Is not restricted as to when it's used at all, sans being unable to double it u[ Can serve as MST bait Cons: Isn't a surprise from the hand Is easily baited after first effect Isn't a LIGHT Spellcaster [/quote] Its second use can only be on your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352477609' post='6064739'] Its second use can only be on your turn. [/quote] And? So it's not as versatile, doesn't change that it's still versatile. A /free/ effect negation on your turn is not bad in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352477860' post='6064744'] And? So it's not as versatile, doesn't change that it's still versatile. A /free/ effect negation on your turn is not bad in any way. [/quote] It's also almost never useful. The only Meta targets I can think of are Tragoedia, Zenmaines, Laggia/Dolkka, and uhh... That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352477860' post='6064744'] And? So it's not as versatile, doesn't change that it's still versatile. A /free/ effect negation on your turn is not bad in any way. [/quote] Exactly, what the best part you can save it when the time is right. Most common situation that you use the first effect on your opponent's turn, and the second effect is to back you up when you go on offensive while a monster on the field is in your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352478019' post='6064748'] It's also almost never useful. The only Meta targets I can think of are Tragoedia, Zenmaines, Laggia/Dolkka, and uhh... That's it. [/quote] You seem to be forgetting the importance of the word "Free". It's a completely extra, free effect. Chump Blockers tend to eat resources, this makes it so they don't. Same for Laggia and Dolkka (They're meta?), and a few other things. If it was the main effect, yes, it would suck. But it's a completely free effect that lets you use up less advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You seem to forget that my entire post to begin with was just stating that the secondary effect sucked, not that the card sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 The secondary effect DOESN'T suck =/ If it was the entire effect it would, but being a free activation in exchange for banishing itself from grave is not shitty at all, and will sit there and wait to save you advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Reborn Black' timestamp='1352479105' post='6064773'] The secondary effect DOESN'T suck =/ If it was the entire effect it would, but being a free activation in exchange for banishing itself from grave is not shitty at all, and will sit there and wait to save you advantage. [/quote] You really can't seem to break yourself away from having the two effects together, so never mind. You are impossible to reason with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352479846' post='6064793'] You really can't seem to break yourself away from having the two effects together, so never mind. You are impossible to reason with. [/quote] No, you just don't seem to realize that you can't just say "this effect sucks" when it's not a stand alone. You can't break the two effects apart as usage is what makes an effect viable. This shouldn't be a hard concept. It's like saying Tuningware is broken while Aster Drawn is s*** (for sake of argument) or Scrap Dragon is broken while that new Wolf Xyz is s*** (Same). It depends on how the effect is applied. You can't blanket say "this effect sucks" when it has uses and is in addition to an existing effect. It's a +0 effect that keeps you from wasting advantage. Are you always gonna need it? No, but it's free, so it doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Once again. I am not saying that the card sucks. I am saying that the SECOND effect sucks. The first and second effect are not the same. They are on the same card, but not the same effect. I am not comparing Jar of Greed or Pot of Greed. Just because the effect exists on the same card does not make it a good effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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