Cards That Really Need To Be Erratad

[Jirachibi]

Are there any cards that you think need to be Eratad?


I think Appropriarte needs to change back from:

"[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activate"]Activate[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] only when your opponent [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Draw_a_card"]draws a card(s)[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)], except during their [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Draw_Phase"]Draw Phase[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)]. Draw 2 cards[/background][/size][/font][/color]"

to "[i]You can activate this card when your opponent draws a card outside of his/her Draw Phase. [b]After that, each time your opponent draws cards outside of his/her Draw Phase, you [/b][/i][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]draw 2 cards.[/background][/size][/font][/color]"

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

We should ban Appropriate instead.

OT: Change Kasha's wording so the sending monsters from the field to the Deck doesn't look like a cost. It isn't. And maybe give a note to Endless Decay that the ATK value it gets when its ATK becomes half your opponent's life points is a fixed value and doesn't change. We could also get rid of all the "This card can only be Ritual Summoned by" part of all of the Ritual monsters since that's not the only way you can Summon those cards anymore.

[TheKaitoKid]

[quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1354060198' post='6079562']
We should ban Appropriate instead.

OT: Change Kasha's wording so the sending monsters from the field to the Deck doesn't look like a cost. It isn't. And maybe give a note to Endless Decay that the ATK value it gets when its ATK becomes half your opponent's life points is a fixed value and doesn't change. We could also get rid of all the "This card can only be Ritual Summoned by" part of all of the Ritual monsters since that's not the only way you can Summon those cards anymore.
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They've already started that. As of LCYW rituals say "You can Ritual Summon this card with [insert Ritual Spell here]".

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

You don't need that either. Just leave it to the Ritual Spells to say what they can or can't Ritual Summon.

[TheKaitoKid]

[quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1354068822' post='6079749']
You don't need that either. Just leave it to the Ritual Spells to say what they can or can't Ritual Summon.
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It'll probably get to the point eventually. For now it's fine.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1354060198' post='6079562']
We could also get rid of all the "This card can only be Ritual Summoned by" part of all of the Ritual monsters since that's not the only way you can Summon those cards anymore.[/quote]
That only happens when a card gets a re-print.
Example~
Before:
[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100523043654/yugioh/images/b/bb/HeraldofPerfectionTSHD-EN-UR-1E.png[/img]
After:
[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120622090859/yugioh/images/thumb/8/8a/HeraldofPerfection-GLD5-EN-GGR-LE.png/327px-HeraldofPerfection-GLD5-EN-GGR-LE.png[/img]

[newhat]

[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121012185628/yugioh/images/9/9b/ThunderKingRaiOh-TF04-JP-VG.jpg[/img]
Neither player can add cards from their Deck to their hand except by drawing them. During [b]your opponent's Main Phase[/b], when your opponent would Special Summon a monster [b]without using the Chain[/b]: You can send this face-up card to the Graveyard; negate the Special Summon, and if you do, destroy it.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='newhat' timestamp='1354083963' post='6079945']
Neither player can add cards from their Deck to their hand except by drawing them. During [b]your opponent's Main Phase[/b], when your opponent would Special Summon a monster [b]without using the Chain[/b]: You can send this face-up card to the Graveyard; negate the Special Summon, and if you do, destroy it.
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Rewordings like this are why I didn't want to look at this topic. People need to understand that they cannot activate cards during the resolution of other cards. When they learn that, then they'll know why Rai-Oh doesn't work (as well as Solemn Judgment).

For example: I activate Monster Reborn. During the resolution of Monster Reborn, I summon a monster from my Graveyard. They want to activate Rai-Oh. I'm asking what they're activating it to. They say to the monster I just summoned with Monster Reborn. I ask when was the monster Special Summoned. They say during Monster Reborn's resolution. I say "Can you activate cards while other cards are resolving?" They say no. Mission Accomplished. Well, that's what happens anyway. Most people just don't understand it that way =/ Getting people to understand these things will help them in other situations, not just changing the wording of one card.

I do agree with the Kasha and Appropriate erratas because they're both wrong as they are currently written.

[quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1354060198' post='6079562']
And maybe give a note to Endless Decay that the ATK value it gets when its ATK becomes half your opponent's life points is a fixed value and doesn't change.
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Endless Decay is written as a Trigger Effect, not a Continuous Effect. There is no reason to change any wording for what you're saying.


In any case, inb4 more criticisms from darkwolf777 because he's like that.

[Agro]

[quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1354093865' post='6079977']
Rewordings like this are why I didn't want to look at this topic. People need to understand that they cannot activate cards during the resolution of other cards. When they learn that, then they'll know why Rai-Oh doesn't work (as well as Solemn Judgment).

For example: I activate Monster Reborn. During the resolution of Monster Reborn, I summon a monster from my Graveyard. They want to activate Rai-Oh. I'm asking what they're activating it to. They say to the monster I just summoned with Monster Reborn. I ask when was the monster Special Summoned. They say during Monster Reborn's resolution. I say "Can you activate cards while other cards are resolving?" They say no. Mission Accomplished. Well, that's what happens anyway. Most people just don't understand it that way =/ Getting people to understand these things will help them in other situations, not just changing the wording of one card.
[/quote]But they'd say they were chaining to Monster Reborn.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354095397' post='6079991']
But they'd say they were chaining to Monster Reborn.
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I suppose it wasn't a good example to say that they would say "during Monster Reborn's resolution" as the answer as half the players don't even know what resolution means exactly, but that's my point. They need to learn what these mean and what it entails.

[.Exa]

[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070418004014/yugioh/images/thumb/2/2a/JarofGreedYSD-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-JarofGreedYSD-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img]
So it can be the shortest card text.

[newhat]

Well, OK. Let them grow.

[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Rain_Storm"]Chaparrón[/url] needs a reprint, not because anyone uses it but because the errata'd version doesn't actually exist.

Also Madolches.

[evilfusion]

Why would Madolches need errata? They were printed after the new text. All Zexal cards have the new text.

Appropriate on DN annoys me because it WAS using the more accurate errata for a while, then switched back to the overly vague one. It's a NIGHTMARE explaining that the card text for Appropriate is disgustingly inaccurate.

And Rain Storm doesn't need an errata. It's pretty straightforward, even without PSCT.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1354157080' post='6080634']
And Rain Storm doesn't need an errata. It's pretty straightforward, even without PSCT.
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The errata is for the 2000 ATK Point effect being incorrect as its supposed to destroy 2 cards the opponent controls, not only Spell/Trap Cards.

[evilfusion]

Ahh...never noticed.

[Miror B]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1354157080' post='6080634']
Why would Madolches need errata? They were printed after the new text. All Zexal cards have the new text.
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Because they f***ed up and put "when this card [b]you control[/b]" when they're supposed to work like Scrap Dragon and get their effects when solemned.
But Konami acknowledged this so putting them in this topic is moot.
And on topic: Everything that doesn't have PSCT.

[Sunshine Jesse]

[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111020044512/yugioh/images/a/a6/Snoww%2CUnlightofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

I think Konami overestimates the reading comprehension of their playerbase

Disputes over this card have come up a depressing amount of times

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

[quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1354219875' post='6081086']
[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111020044512/yugioh/images/a/a6/Snoww%2CUnlightofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

I think Konami overestimates the reading comprehension of their playerbase

Disputes over this card have come up a depressing amount of times
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when you think about, Konami had stated that they want to organize the effects in order, by Condition:Activation; Resolution but with the Dark Worlds it is Condition: mini-Condition and Activation; Resolution. it was rather weird how they want to mesh up 2 conditions in 1 section of effect the way it is looked it like putting secondary condition within the primary condition along with an option then proceed the resolution(s) I would say the previous errata of Dark World monsters Like Goldd did look cleaner but it must have been questioned by several kids or players that does it truly look like they can go off if both if both conditions been filled or not otherwise it would go through as the previous errata along with improved OCG (though for the record we all know how they truly work as)

[-Berserker-]

Hidden Arsenal 05 Evigishkis say "Cannot be Normal Summoned or set"
That text is unneeded and was removed in the ones released in HA06.

[Airride]

Shogun Shien and similar cards;
The Opponent may only SUCCESSFULLY activate 1 S/T per turn.
...I got screwed over because a judge thought it worked like the noobs do and it made me lose because 30 S/T Deck

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Bladewing Reshii' timestamp='1354228796' post='6081187']
when you think about, Konami had stated that they want to organize the effects in order, by Condition:Activation; Resolution but with the Dark Worlds it is Condition: mini-Condition and Activation; Resolution. it was rather weird how they want to mesh up 2 conditions in 1 section of effect the way it is looked it like putting secondary condition within the primary condition along with an option then proceed the resolution(s) I would say the previous errata of Dark World monsters Like Goldd did look cleaner but it must have been questioned by several kids or players that does it truly look like they can go off if both if both conditions been filled or not otherwise it would go through as the previous errata along with improved OCG (though for the record we all know how they truly work as)
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I already split this up in the Q&A just a minute ago. The proper organization order is Trigger:Activation Costs and Conditions;Effect. What you're claiming is a "mini-Condition" is in fact an Activation Condition. As is, there is nothing wrong with the way Dark Worlds are written.

[Mysty]

In other words, Dark Worlds are written just fine, but your mind has to be in the mindset that [b]:[/b] and [b];[/b] are symbols that separate thoughts.

Pretty much any card whose functionality changes because of faulty translation needs to be edited. These include, but are not limited to: (these taken from wikia)
• any card whose TCG name excludes it from archetypes it really belongs in, or puts it into archetypes it doesn't belong in
• the entire first batch of Madolches (but they mentioned this in an article)
• Brain Research Lab (its wording implies only you can use all of its effects, while the opponent really has access to the additional Normal Summon)
• Spell of Pain (makes it sound like it works on any burn, when it really works only on the opponent's)
• Sealing Ceremony of Suiton (it isn't supposed to target cards in the opponent's Grave)
• Molting Escape (the avoiding destruction is supposed to be optional)
• Jinzo (in OCG, doesn't prevent the activation of Traps in the Graveyard, but the TCG wording currently does)
• Mirror Gate (apparently, the TCG ruling is still that both monsters have to be present for the End Phase swap to happen)

Two other things that need to be checked out:
• SEGOC functions differently in TCG than in OCG, making a lot of bad rulings.
• In the TCG, Solemn Judgment cannot stop a Synchro Summon done by either Urgent Tuning or Formula Synchron's effect, but in OCG they can as long as those effects are on Chain Link 1.

[TheVolcanicMaster]

I believe there is a card that under the current text reads in such a way that you can flip a coin to either double or halve it's attack, but it has no Once Per Turn clause. While it is ruled to be OPT, the clause on the card would be nice.

[-Berserker-]

[quote name='TheVolcanicMaster' timestamp='1354307256' post='6081781']
I believe there is a card that under the current text reads in such a way that you can flip a coin to either double or halve it's attack, but it has no Once Per Turn clause. While it is ruled to be OPT, the clause on the card would be nice.
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In LCYW it has it, if I remember correctly.