This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/b6/Grapha%2CDragonLordofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-UR-1E.jpg[/img] Because I just love YCM's reaction to this every time I say it's balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Snoww breaks it even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1356321712' post='6100633'] it's balanced. [/quote] it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 It's broken and should not be at 3. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Dem The Magic Dragon' timestamp='1356323427' post='6100665'] it isn't. [/quote] [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356323639' post='6100675'] It's broken and should not be at 3. /thread [/quote] You're both quite clearly terrible at judging cards. Either that or you just plain ignore power creep or the huge factors that make Grapha a balanced card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 It is balanced. There's cards to stop it, day in, day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 It is balanced. There's cards to stop it, day in, day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Duelistgroundz would love this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Answers to it is the absolute last place to go to claim something is balanced. .-. How about the fact that it's only good in the graveyard, and that the deck can only run so many discard outlets, and there's only 3 Graphas, and that Snoww is the only other good DW monster, and that there's generally only 7 targets for Grapha to bounce. Not to mention many other bosses out there are faster and more destructive, whereas Grapha only makes up for that in resiliency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356323639' post='6100675'] It's broken and should not be at 3. /thread [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 I can see your points and reasoning are well-listed, concise and accurate. I congratulate you on the sheer magnitudinal brilliance of your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Chris, I love you. OT: Grapha isn't as big of a threat anymore as he used to be. Besides, Crow and Macro exist, and Macro Rabbit is somewhat viable (still, I dunno?). It's cool that they're topping OCG though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1356323933' post='6100688'] How about the fact that it's only good in the graveyard, and that the deck can only run so many discard outlets, and there's only 3 Graphas, and that Snoww is the only other good DW monster, and that there's generally only 7 targets for Grapha to bounce. Not to mention many other bosses out there are faster and more destructive, whereas Grapha only makes up for that in resiliency. [/quote] Grapha self-revives as a +1. That is, honestly, my only problem with it. If it didn't generate pluses like it does, I'd be just fine with it. Just like how I would be fine with Merlanteans if Moulin Glace wasn't searchable.[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1356323734' post='6100678'] You're both quite clearly terrible at judging cards. [/quote] I could say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Every single Gadget summon is a +1, they must be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 It's stupidly imbalanced. Good thing the rest of the meta is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Card sucks. If I want to kill backrow, I can just use MST. If I want to kill frontrow, I can just use Soul Taker. ... ... :3 OT: The easy revivability combined with an ATK value that kills about anything makes it a pain to deal with. It's weaker than it was due to the power creep, but its power and role as "card to complain about" increases as we watch it dodge another banlist that will cut back on more powerful decks. We can slap DWs onto the banlist, but it isn't as urgent an issue as the tier-1 Decks being hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1356324396' post='6100703']Good thing the rest of the meta is too. [/quote] That's no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Judgment Dragon's targets are bad. It must be balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1356324809' post='6100711'] That's no excuse. [/quote] Yes it is. This isn't 2005 anymore, the game has evolved hugely and big unfair bosses are what make yugioh yugioh. [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356324876' post='6100714'] Judgment Dragon's targets are bad. It must be balanced. [/quote] I don't see Judgment Dragon doing any damage anywhere. So yes, that is true, since the deck can't function efficiently without it or the other bosses it has access to, and the oversaturation of bosses will then lead to less consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Haven't we gone over this before? And like... We all agreed Snoww was the problem(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1356324385' post='6100701'] Every single Gadget summon is a +1, they must be broken. [/quote] Gadgets aren't 2700-3000 beatsticks that can self-revive infinitely. [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356324876' post='6100714'] Judgment Dragon's targets are bad. It must be balanced. [/quote] Judgment Dragon should have been once per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Without Snoww, Grapha wouldn't be a thing. If you want to hit Dark Worlds, hit Snoww. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Why hit Snoww at all when DWs are already bad enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1356325867' post='6100734'] Why hit Snoww at all when DWs are already bad enough? [/quote] I said if you want to, not to do it. I haven't been hearing from Dark Worlds much here in TCGLand, all I know for sure is they've apparently been topping in OCGLand, which doesn't give me much of a reason to see them hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Honestly, my only real problem with Graphers is that it is self-revivable. I tend to take cards at face-value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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