Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Lately, a lot of topics have come up about boss monsters, who, in their own right, can wreak havoc to your opponent in a lot of ways. But sometimes, wrecking your opponent's face in wouldn't be possible without the use of the Archetype's searcher. Machina Gearframe comes to mind as a +0 searcher that can search out it's boss, which you can immediately pull off that turn given the right conditions. Snoww can effectively search out a 2700 recurring vanilla from a simple discard. Undine can pull of an additional search as well as its regular search which then requires your opponent to jump through insane hoops to even stand a chance against them. Wind-Up Factory is essentially a watered-down version of Gateway. It seems more often than not, that the searchers pave the road for conquest by searching out the boss monsters simply and effectively. If they do not exist, the Deck becomes less "one-trick pony" and opens up other plays for viability. It seems as though the searchers are at fault for being the ones to make the boss monsters broken. Of course, this is all opinionated, but I felt like discussing it. So fire away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Didnt we have this thread before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Let us not forget another incredibly powerful search. Madolche Magileine. Easily the the best searcher in terms of consistent loops. She searches everyone of her Archetype including herself which can lead to tons of pluses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Maybe. Topics in TCG tend to blur together after a time. We may have talked about it before, I dunno.[quote name='♥ D.A._Siegfried ♥' timestamp='1357140677' post='6109120'] Madolche Magileine. Easily the the best searcher in terms of consistent loops. She searches everyone of her Archetype including herself which can lead to tons of pluses. [/quote] Magileine doesn't search out her boss, though. Granted, the argument is fair, but cards that search out their boss monsters seem like the ones that are more broken than cards that can continually search themselves. i.e.: Magileine/Stratos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Anyway,i think gearframe makes fortress a bit better than it should be,with how it pretty much gives it an extra protection after it searches it instead of just drawing fortress and dropping it,but i think grapha breaks grapha more than anything else in the deck other than card destruction.(not that DW are actually broken right now,though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolvorite Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Rescue Rabbit Dark Armaggedon for some decks? Asceticism of the Six Samurai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='nolvorite' timestamp='1357141491' post='6109130'] Rescue Rabbit Dark Armaggedon for some decks? Asceticism of the Six Samurai [/quote] [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1356297184' post='6100290'] No, get out. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Gearframe is good. Snoww is good. Earth is good. Stratos is good. Wind-Up Factory is good. Fortress is fine but people don't like having to think when they play against it. Grapha is fine but because it and DWs in general attack the game from a different angle people scream broken far too easily. Hyperion is fine because it really just comes down, kills something and dies. The game is full of +1s, so this doesn't seem too bad. Stratos doesn't have a real link to a "broken" boss, so I don't even need to comment here. Magician is the problem with Wind-Ups. Oh and Chicken is bawk bawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Spellbook Magician is my favorite searcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Archtype Specific Searchers to 2 unless otherwise. Airblade says otherwise: Stratos stays at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357141750' post='6109138'] Gearframe is good. Snoww is good. Earth is good. Stratos is good. Wind-Up Factory is good. Fortress is fine but people don't like having to think when they play against it. Grapha is fine but because it and DWs in general attack the game from a different angle people scream broken far too easily. Hyperion is fine because it really just comes down, kills something and dies. The game is full of +1s, so this doesn't seem too bad. Stratos doesn't have a real link to a "broken" boss, so I don't even need to comment here. Magician is the problem with Wind-Ups. Oh and Chicken is bawk bawk. [/quote] Completely agree about Grapha and Fortress. So many people say Fortress is broken but I think its entirely balanced. However the place where you and I disagree is Hyperion. I see your points but I can't support the idea of a 2700 ATK beatstick that can be dropped for virtually no cost and instantly pays for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Fortress is only "broken" for its first use. Any time to revive afterwards is more draining on your resources, which is what balances it. Grapha...gives you more opportunities to get plusses and has a massive body, plus no real cost of resources to bring back. That's why Grapha is so wicked. Most search cards aren't bad, it's how flexible they are. Stratos has practically 3 archetypes to search for, with no level restriction or anything. But what broke it is the ability to search itself. Hence why it's at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Stratos and Magician have the same design flaw. Also why both should be at 1. Though since Stratos can search all by itself, the case can be made for it to be at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Magician can still mini-loop at 1, so that could go to 0 too, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1357241665' post='6110282'] Magician can still mini-loop at 1, so that could go to 0 too, IMO. [/quote] mini-loop? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Starting cards: Magician and shark in hand Summon mag -> ss shark, use mag to grab rat -> overlay mag and shark for papi -> Papi eff, detach shark, switch rat to attack position -> eff rat, SS shark -> shark level 3, make zenmaity -> detach 1 may, SS rat -> rat eff, revive shark (or rat, it doesn't matter) -> make any rank 3 Ending result: Papi, zenmaity, and any rank 3. It's certainly not as bad as the current loop, but it still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1357242198' post='6110286'] Starting cards: Magician and shark in hand Summon mag -> ss shark, use mag to grab rat -> overlay mag and shark for papi -> Papi eff, detach shark, switch rat to attack position -> eff rat, SS shark -> shark level 3, make zenmaity -> detach 1 may, SS rat -> rat eff, revive shark (or rat, it doesn't matter) -> make any rank 3 Ending result: Papi, zenmaity, and any rank 3. It's certainly not as bad as the current loop, but it still exists. [/quote] We can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I wouldnt like to,but meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Papi Zenmaity and a Rank 3 is not worth it IMO. Most searchers are ok except Stratos because it searches itself and triggers when SSed, Magileine because it can constantly summon itself and possibly Gearframe because it's a +1 with 1800 ATK. Spellbook Magician, Snoww I suppose, Factory and Earth are all ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1357242915' post='6110293'] We can live with that. [/quote] Magician at 1 can also do first-turn shock master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1357244529' post='6110313'] Magician at 1 can also do first-turn shock master. [/quote] So can Zombies, Thunders, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 [quote name='Josh Black' timestamp='1357244704' post='6110321'] So can Zombies, Thunders, etc. [/quote] But they need to use up resources and possibly get set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I don't think searchers are ever the problem, and killing consistency over power seems to promote luck over skill to me I don't think any searcher is even limit-worthy except Witch and -maybe- Sangan (maybe ones that can search themseves and have some effect other than searching too i.e. Stratos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1357244529' post='6110313'] Magician at 1 can also do first-turn shock master. [/quote]The difference being: All you get is a shock master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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