Pot of Avarice

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

"It's only 2 cards"

[Althemia]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357424279' post='6112177']
I still don't think it's that broke, it's only 2 cards, there's plenty of cards that do this which are easier.
[/quote]

You seem lost, dunno if this is the section for you.

Also yeah this is obviously a stupid card.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357425367' post='6112195']
"It's only 2 cards"
[/quote]on 1 hand you sit with 3 PoG, on the other with 3 PoA. You need 15 monsters in your grave to draw the same number. It's far more reasonable than PoG will ever be.

Think of other cards that let you draw 2 cards. What about Cardcar D? What about Destiny Draw (though it requires you to use D-Hero, so not that good in other decks). There also exists no cost cards that let you draw. Legacy of Yata-Garasu. It's a Trap, plus only 1 card, but it's still nice since you don't need 5 monsters in your grave. Then there's others with work well in some decks where you draw a lot, such as Reckless Greed, and that's 2 (even though you do lose two turns, but if you activate a bunch in the same turn, you will get more cards for only 2 turns). There's also others which might fit more decks, but I only mentioned a few, White Elephant's Gift is useful in some decks, and so is Trade-in.

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

I think you're missing the point.

[Wildflame]

Hey, I'm not saying that it should come back, more like..., I wish it would. I miss having these in multiples in decks like Fabled. And I'm not sure about know wich meta-relevant deck would use this at 2. Maybe Wind-Ups and Geargia, probably Atlanteans and Agents too..., yeah, maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

[Zazubat]

Well if you would care to explain the point, that would maybe help? I'm getting the point that shuffling cards into your deck is pretty easy, no real cost here, just do that and draw.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Running Avarice in Agents is a no-no.

[Althemia]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426196' post='6112208']
Well if you would care to explain the point, that would maybe help? I'm getting the point that shuffling cards into your deck is pretty easy, no real cost here, just do that and draw.
[/quote]

Speed of the game has made it increasingly easy to get 5 monsters in the grave in a single turn.

[Aix]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426196' post='6112208']
Well if you would care to explain the point, that would maybe help? I'm getting the point that shuffling cards into your deck is pretty easy, no real cost here, just do that and draw.
[/quote]
It actually is. I can use this in pretty much in any Deck I use by my second turn and then, since I have just refreshed my Graveyard, put some key cards back into my Deck and also drawn two card, I can now repeat what I did first turn to use another Pot of Avarice, if Pot of Avarice weren't @1.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Oh my Amaterasu!' timestamp='1357426310' post='6112211']
Speed of the game has made it increasingly easy to get 5 monsters in the grave in a single turn.
[/quote]that depends on what deck you're using. Some focus on banishing, some focus on having cards still in the hand, some in the deck, and some on the field, different tastes. Some don't even focus that much on monsters, but only puts 1 guy on the field to take care of it all. You can say that about a lot of cards really.

[quote name='☯AixDivadis☯' timestamp='1357426364' post='6112213']
It actually is. I can use this in pretty much in any Deck I use by my second turn and then, since I have just refreshed my Graveyard, put some key cards back into my Deck and also drawn two card, I can now repeat what I did first turn to use another Pot of Avarice, if Pot of Avarice weren't @1.
[/quote]I see your point, though you still need 5 cards in your grave, and for me I would rather want to have my cards drawn so I know I won't get the same cards again and again.

[Althemia]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426459' post='6112217']
that depends on what deck you're using. Some focus on banishing, some focus on having cards still in the hand, some in the deck, and some on the field, different tastes. You can say that about a lot of cards really.
[/quote]

Lol. That doesn't make it any less broken in the decks you're using it in, does it?

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Oh my Amaterasu!' timestamp='1357426516' post='6112218']
Lol. That doesn't make it any less broken in the decks you're using it in, does it?
[/quote]since staples are mostly at only 1, that means that Konami screwed up when making these cards, having a card that only works in a some decks doesn't make it as OP as say Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute which works in pretty much every deck, actually no in every deck, unless you're going up againts burn/stall of course.

[Althemia]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426740' post='6112225']
since staples are mostly at only 1, that means that Konami screwed up when making these cards, having a card that only works in a some decks doesn't make it as OP as say Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute which works in pretty much every deck, actually no in every deck, unless you're going up againts burn/stall of course.
[/quote]

So now you're attempting to say this is a necessary evil? wut

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

D-Prison is a staple.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Oh my Amaterasu!' timestamp='1357426793' post='6112227']
So now you're attempting to say this is a necessary evil? wut
[/quote]you're making up words again, I never said that, and I have no idea what you really mean by that either.

[evilfusion]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426459' post='6112217']
that depends on what deck you're using. Some focus on banishing, some focus on having cards still in the hand, some in the deck, and some on the field, different tastes. You can say that about a lot of cards really.
[/quote]

Plants are a good example. The Deck used a lot of search and spam power with things like Lonefire, Dandylion, Spore, Glow-Up, and especially Reborn Tengu.

Any deck that can SS from the Deck, or gets a lot of search power (Zombies, TG, Plants, Tour Guide, Gadgets, Wind-Ups, Scraps, etc) all can use this card to refuel their search effects and then draw 2, and fulfilling the condiiton is usually absurdly easy in those Decks.

[Althemia]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426880' post='6112233']
you're making up words again, I never said that, and I have no idea what you really mean by that either.
[/quote]

A necessary evil is a card that needs to be in the game in order to attempt to give a player a means of making a comeback, much to some or most player's dismay. Good examples of such a thing are Tragoedia and Torrential. Having them in the game makes people think about whether they want to overextend, whilst also giving players a back-up option. In comparing it to Torrential and Mirror Force (which can be considered necessary evils), you are attempting to say that Pot of Avarice is a necessary evil also or else you would not have compared them.

[Zazubat]

You're not making too much sense about this, I was simply saying that the staples that Torrent and Mirror are not as bad as this card, actually I'm saying that this card is more balanced than those, both because they require a cost (wait, is it a cost?), but also because they need to be in that specific deck that supports it. Anyways, I'm tired, if you feel that it's the most overpowered card ever, I probably can't make you not think that.


[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1357426881' post='6112234']
Plants are a good example. The Deck used a lot of search and spam power with things like Lonefire, Dandylion, Spore, Glow-Up, and especially Reborn Tengu.
Any deck that can SS from the Deck, or gets a lot of search power (Zombies, TG, Plants, Tour Guide, Gadgets, Wind-Ups, Scraps, etc) all can use this card to refuel their search effects and then draw 2, and fulfilling the condiiton is usually absurdly easy in those Decks.
[/quote]True, but as said, it's not as bad as other cards (Torrent, Mirror etc.) since your deck needs to support it, and that makes it more balanced. It's still not that balanced at all, don't get me wrong I ain't saying it should be at 3 or nothing, just that you're making it out so it should simply be banned when other cards should be banned too.

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

Tragoedia isn't a good example of anything positive.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357427247' post='6112247']
You're not making too much sense about this, I was simply saying that the staples that Torrent and Mirror are not as bad as this card, actually I'm saying that this card is more balanced than those, both because they require a cost (wait, is it a cost?), but also because they need to be in that specific deck that supports it.
[/quote]

Having a specific timing of a Trap Card does not make it more or less broken. The sheer destructiveness of TT can screw with plays and MF causes mind games with the opponent.

Avarice is basically, no matter how you look at it, a general +1. But that +1 later can set up for future decoy plays that you previously made, thus generating more advantage.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1357427462' post='6112257']
Having a specific timing of a Trap Card does not make it more or less broken. The sheer destructiveness of TT can screw with plays and MF causes mind games with the opponent.
Avarice is basically, no matter how you look at it, a general +1. But that +1 later can set up for future decoy plays that you previously made, thus generating more advantage.
[/quote]I think you misunderstood, I don't mean the timing, I meant that PoA needed a cost, which I'm still not sure is a cost or not, technical stuff, not important.

[evilfusion]

I dont think Avarice would need to be banned, but it definitely deserves its limit.

Also, Rabbit Decks love this. Rabbit itself is banished, but then you get 2 Dinos from Deck to Xyz for Laggia. After it negates something and most likely dies, there's now 3 monsters in Grave, and things like Tour Guide will easily supply more. And Rabbit Decks want their Dinos back in the Deck to bring out more.

Inzectors were similar, the only one they wanted in the Grave was Hornet, and with Dragonfly and Centipede's search power, some extra draws are excellent for maintaining their advantage.

Decks that can generate advantage give this card even more power.

[Zazubat]

Of course, that's what makes synergy between cards, you wouldn't have cards in your deck that didn't work in that deck.

[Canadian]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1357426740' post='6112225']
since staples are mostly at only 1, that means that Konami screwed up when making these cards, having a card that only works in a some decks doesn't make it as OP as say Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute which works in pretty much every deck, actually no in every deck, unless you're going up againts burn/stall of course.
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[Zazubat]

some words on the screen. Really though as said, because it's not as staple worthy as other cards, I don't think it's that bad, it's still good in most decks. I don't think it's ban worthy, at 1 it should stay.