Althemia Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Since I am a rather reasonable person, I thought I'd let the community discuss on what they thought would be a good idea for an Advanced Clause for this section. Because it does actually improve productivity and such. Obviously I'll compile ideas I like best and ideas that the community seems to like best in the OP so that people can contribute to perfecting ideas, pointing out criticisms etc. So yeah, get at it. Such things for discussion would include:-Reasonable word lengths-Reasonable exceptions-What should count toward word count and what shouldn'tAnd no, abolishing the Advanced Clause is not plausible.Current ideas:1) 20 x the number of cards in the set (In discussion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 What should be judged over word length, which is inherently mechanical, as overall quality of the review. If a single idea needs to be expressed, why drone it out when you can say the same thing better in fewer words? It's food for thought at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Well, I think it's so that we review the card as a whole, instead of just nitpicking at one specific thing. [spoiler=For example] Let's say I made a topic in RC and here's my card: Phoenix Driver FIRE/4/0 ATK/0 DEF Blah blah blah blah blah one specific little overpowered bit blah blah blah And the comment just goes like this: Good, but that one part is a bit overpowered. [/spoiler] Most advanced members, like you and I, should be fine with that kind of comment, but I know of several new members (And in fact, senior members too) who don't like it when people just criticize their card in one sentence. They would like it better If the commentators go on about how good the other parts are. If the Advanced Clause exists and it has a minimum word count, people cant just nitpick on a certain bit, they would need to review the whole card so comments would be more like: "That one bit is overpowered, but the card itself is nice. The concept and design is great, it just needs a little more polishing up." It's a lot more constructive and pleasing to people who spend time making their cards. OT: I originally had a thought about the minimum word count being '20 something x The number of cards in a thread'. However, the more I think of it, the more complicated and convoluted it gets. I mean, it should be pretty straightforward, right? But it just ends up being as complicated as the whole '10 X The number of stars you have' that was in the original RC Advanced Clause. Obviously we cant have the same one because reviewing an archetype and a single card are two entirely different things. As for now, maybe you can save my '20 something x The number of cards in a thread' idea for the minimum word count. It will need a lot of polishing up though. Then we can get over the "what doesn't count to the word count and what does" thing. Because there are people that prefer mindless drabble as opposed to straightforwardness. *rolls eyes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 20x the number of cards in an archetype is a bad idea here because we're going to be getting archetypes with a bajillion cards, and if they all have one thing in common that's wrong with them, why drone it out when you can say the same thing better in fewer words? It would also deter reviewers from posting reviews on big long archetypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Like I said, it will need a lot of brushing up, but it might work. And that's a big giant 'Might'. Do you have an idea, Sora? And yeah, it would probably stop people from reviewing a 54 thousand card set whose effects are all "This card gains 500 ATK for each card you control" albeit in a slightly different wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I honestly don't. I got up a little while ago, so I'm still kinda hazy. I'll report back here if I get a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I think the main problem with the idea is that it can often make some cards completely left out by making a 40 card review for one card whilst not giving a review for another one. This doesn't really give the TC criticism on everything and may lead to them making more mistakes with the cards in the future. I feel like it would be worth a shot if we were to polish the idea up some more though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Single cards has 45, so... 15-20 per card in Arche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 ^above. What if the whole archetype is fine except for one overall flaw? Or if someone posts a gargantuan archetype? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 ^above. What if the whole archetype is fine except for one overall flaw? Or if someone posts a gargantuan archetype? 10-15 words for cards that you think are "fine" with a bold note saying it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 People are already intimidated by looking through Archetypes and Finished Sets. I think each comment should point out a flaw or have something actually constructive and have 45 words and that is enough. Otherwise, if you seriously cannot find something wrong, then tell them so, then, one should be allowed to say something like "I honestly can't find something wrong with this Archetype. Good job." and then fill the rest of the 45 words up with what you particularly like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 don't forget that quallity is the goal here, not word counts, also, is there any advanced clause active in this area now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 How about "You must discuss at least 1 of each Card Type (Effect Monster, Normal Monster, Normal Spell, Quick-Play Spell) posted in the thread"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 How about "You must discuss at least 1 of each Card Type (Effect Monster, Normal Monster, Normal Spell, Quick-Play Spell) posted in the thread"? sounds good, but I'd make it monster, spell, and trap, not every "subtype" (so to speak) of spell and trap needing to be addressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 What if the poster doesn't have any s/t cards in the set? It seems like an interesting idea, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan LeFlay Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Same word count as in single cards should be good. If I submit a 100 card set, I want comments on it, but I don't want to restrict comments to those willing to write a 2000-word post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 is anything official yet? Meaning, does this forum have anything in effect yet? If not, how will I know when it does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 is anything official yet? Meaning, does this forum have anything in effect yet? If not, how will I know when it does?There'll be a post in this thread about it and the title will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRainbowDash Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I don't belive that 20x the number of cards would work. for my latest, that would require about 600 words for a review... and nobody wants to type all that out. how about just a minimun of 30 words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I don't belive that 20x the number of cards would work. for my latest, that would require about 600 words for a review... and nobody wants to type all that out. how about just a minimun of 30 words? Even Single Cards has less. 45 is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRainbowDash Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 yeah, that's fair. all you gotta do now is hammer out what youre counting as words or what your safety net is. i think you should have a safety net of 3 words. if you can get your point across, and youre still 3 points short, then just let them have that. don't give the warning for one word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadyShadows Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 So I have finally finished my own Archetype. My set of cards I have been wishing Konami would create. But they didn't. SO! I created them MYSELF!!! If you wish to have a peak at the Best deck alive, PM ME OR COMMENT AND I SHALL BE GLAD TO SHOW YOU A FEW :D [attachment=36992:Daigon Triple 6 Card.jpg] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 So, just an idea. Let's have a maximum of 12 or so (maybe more?) cards, excluding Extra Deck, per thread/archetype/set so that people might actually possibly review them. Any set with more than 12 cards is bound to be bad or have a whole bunch of pack filler/unnecessary cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 ... somehow, I take some offense to that. *knows I'm guilty of posting 25+ cards in Archetypes* Perhaps an alternative to Aix's suggestion: those doing the reviewing can pick around 10-15 cards from the Archetype/Set to review in detail (whether the cards chosen could make a cohesive Deck altogether, or just they like/have some grievance with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 ... somehow, I take some offense to that. *knows I'm guilty of posting 25+ cards in Archetypes* Perhaps an alternative to Aix's suggestion: those doing the reviewing can pick around 10-15 cards from the Archetype/Set to review in detail (whether the cards chosen could make a cohesive Deck altogether, or just they like/have some grievance with). Mainly, it's cuz people are just too lazy to read through and find all the ones worth reviewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.