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100th Card Special: Special Veiler [Toyo Single]


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[spoiler=Bloody hell. 100 cards? And that's not counting the ones in my Yugico profile.] 

If your opponent Special Summons a Monster with 2000 or more ATK: banish 2 monsters from your graveyard; negate the Effects of the Special Summoned Monster and if you do, Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower non-Tuner monster from your Hand. If you control no Monsters: you can banish this card in your Graveyard plus 1 level 3 or lower non-Tuner monster: Special Summon 1 Dragon-type Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck whose Level equals the total Level of the banished monsters. The effects of that Synchro Monster is negated. [/spoiler]


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For a moment there, I read this as a 1000th card special, my reaction o_o....

 

Anyways, I understand the effects but I have questions:

 

1-For the first effect when your opponent Special Summons, does her effect activate from the hand or from the field or what?

2-First effect is only once per duel right? or once per turn? or just endless until you run out of monsters on that specific turn?

2-Second effect, the about to be banished level 3 or lower non-tuner monsters is to be banished from the Graveyard too or anywhere? even your Hand?

 

This gonna be limited to 1 in my opinion if she can activate it from anywhere except deck of course. Maybe even banned.

 

As for the card:

 

It truly is one Special Veiler, your opponent Special Summons a monster, you negate it + Special Summon 1 level 4 or lower monster that has some terrifying effect of destroying that monster or even anything of your choice that might help you anyways. It doesn't stop there, if she is in your Graveyard and you're helpless and have no monsters with your opponent having Mega Ultra Chicken with 9999 ATK that is ready to cook you down, Just banish her and some other fellow and voila, A Chicken eating Dragon will pop out to save the day.

 

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I got at least 200. And that's just counting the ones I have on this computer... but anyways grave synchro summoners I have always been kind of eh about since they can so easily be abused concidering you you synchro with it first, then make an other one right after. That it's also considered as a SS makes it unable to trigger certain effects as well. So not a fan of those. Though you're making it somewhat balanced by negating and having to make it a Dragon-Type monster. You might want to put "you can" before banish because otherwise you're making mandatory, which is not your point considering you're saying "and if you do". Also "Hand" should be "hand" and "Monsters" should be "monsters" and "-type" should be "-Type". You can also simply say, "Negate it's effects" instead of all that extra stuff.

For a moment there, I read this as a 1000th card special, my reaction o_o....

 

Anyways, I understand the effects but I have questions:

 

1-For the first effect when your opponent Special Summons, does her effect activate from the hand or from the field or what?

2-First effect is only once per duel right? or once per turn? or just endless until you run out of monsters on that specific turn?

2-Second effect, the about to be banished level 3 or lower non-tuner monsters is to be banished from the Graveyard too or anywhere? even your Hand?

 

This gonna be limited to 1 in my opinion if she can activate it from anywhere except deck of course. Maybe even banned.

 

As for the card:

 

It truly is one Special Veiler, your opponent Special Summons a monster, you negate it + Special Summon 1 level 4 or lower monster that has some terrifying effect of destroying that monster or even anything of your choice that might help you anyways. It doesn't stop there, if she is in your Graveyard and you're helpless and have no monsters with your opponent having Mega Ultra Chicken with 9999 ATK that is ready to cook you down, Just banish her and some other fellow and voila, A Chicken eating Dragon will pop out to save the day.

 

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1. Obviously on the field. 2. There's no reason why it should be a once per turn/duel/phase thing since the card never said it. 3.It says "plus" so it means that it's that and an other one where it is. If it said somewhere else it would be somewhere else. Read it more carefully next maybe? Just helping you out, but really now.

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I got at least 200. And that's just counting the ones I have on this computer... but anyways grave synchro summoners I have always been kind of eh about since they can so easily be abused concidering you you synchro with it first, then make an other one right after. That it's also considered as a SS makes it unable to trigger certain effects as well. So not a fan of those. Though you're making it somewhat balanced by negating and having to make it a Dragon-Type monster. You might want to put "you can" before banish because otherwise you're making mandatory, which is not your point considering you're saying "and if you do". Also "Hand" should be "hand" and "Monsters" should be "monsters" and "-type" should be "-Type". You can also simply say, "Negate it's effects" instead of all that extra stuff.

 

OCG fix, OCG fix everywhere.

 

Clearly, I need to proofread my cards and you need to re-read the effect. The card can't do that "Synchro Something then make another" thing you mentioned, you need to have no monsters on the field. I get what you're getting at but the wording made it sound like you can literally Synchro 2 Monsters at once. Just something I want to point out.

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I got at least 200. And that's just counting the ones I have on this computer... but anyways grave synchro summoners I have always been kind of eh about since they can so easily be abused concidering you you synchro with it first, then make an other one right after. That it's also considered as a SS makes it unable to trigger certain effects as well. So not a fan of those. Though you're making it somewhat balanced by negating and having to make it a Dragon-Type monster. You might want to put "you can" before banish because otherwise you're making mandatory, which is not your point considering you're saying "and if you do". Also "Hand" should be "hand" and "Monsters" should be "monsters" and "-type" should be "-Type". You can also simply say, "Negate it's effects" instead of all that extra stuff.

1. Obviously on the field. 2. There's no reason why it should be a once per turn/duel/phase thing since the card never said it. 3.It says "plus" so it means that it's that and an other one where it is. If it said somewhere else it would be somewhere else. Read it more carefully next maybe? Just helping you out, but really now.

Well thanks but as for the first effect, i got confused because it is said directly so who knows? I've not played YGO for a seriously long time now so I was just wondering. as for the PLUS, I never thought it would mean that it applies from the condition from before or just I'm so stupid because I thought of it now Dx

 

As for the 2nd question, it didn't say it, true so I was just wondering if she could use it more than one turn and just swarm the field with monsters (if the user was lucky enough that the opponent kept SSing and not thinking of attacking and killing Special Veiler"  I would say by then OP IMO....

 

Thanks again :)

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OCG fix, OCG fix everywhere.

 

Clearly, I need to proofread my cards and you need to re-read the effect. The card can't do that "Synchro Something then make another" thing you mentioned, you need to have no monsters on the field. I get what you're getting at but the wording made it sound like you can literally Synchro 2 Monsters at once. Just something I want to point out.

forgot about the "no monsters" my fault.

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Bloody hell. 100 cards? And that's not counting the ones in my Yugico profile.

 

If your opponent Special Summons a Monster with 2000 or more ATK: banish 2 monsters from your graveyard; negate the Effects of the Special Summoned Monster and if you do, Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower non-Tuner monster from your Hand. If you control no Monsters: you can banish this card in your Graveyard plus 1 level 3 or lower non-Tuner monster: Special Summon 1 Dragon-type Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck whose Level equals the total Level of the banished monsters. The effects of that Synchro Monster is negated.


Credit for image goes to -Lightray Daedalus-.

 

At last confirmed count, I had 1585 completed cards (1625 at the completion of any sets I haven't finished), the trick it how much is proxied with art (which is still at least 400+), not to mention, I often don't post my own work here, but I have every intention of putting many of my cards up for play-testing on Duel Portal when the new version it is ready.  I've been doing this for a long time (since 2nd Season of GX to be exact).

 

 

 

 

As far as the card itself, I think it is standard fare and it should be clearly understood, so I'm amazed people are questioning how it works when you are writing it in "PST" format.  I guess I had to be there to see the original first post instead of the edited version I must be seeing now.

 

For the first effect: You have a specific condition and an appropriate cost for it, so I don't see it needing "Once Per Turn" like other people are claiming.  It works like EXISTING cards that already do that and are not once per turn either since they are looking for something specific.  Also, the effect doesn't kill, it only negates its powers (so it is useless on any Non-Effect Monster).  And since the Negation Part is mandatory for the Special Summon part, it's easy for the opponent to keep the Special Summon from even happening if they somehow prevent their monster from being negated (quite easy actually).

 

For the second effect:  The "Vayu" effect I think is easily very normal too, especially since it actually works like The Immortal Bushi.  It's fine as well.

 

 

 

So for your 100th card, I think other than a few mis-capitalizations, the card is fine and it's probably your most well-constructed card and maybe one of the most "problem-less" cards on the site for your experience.  Congrats.

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Nobody has been saying anything about it needing a once per turn, only if it was a once per turn, I don't think that it needs that at all for instance, maybe he does, I wouldn't know that's for sure.

 

EDIT: How the hell does this work like The Immortal Bushi in any way?

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Nobody has been saying anything about it needing a once per turn, only if it was a once per turn, I don't think that it needs that at all for instance, maybe he does, I wouldn't know that's for sure.

 

EDIT: How the hell does this work like The Immortal Bushi in any way?

 

Seroochann questions if it is Once Per turn or Once per duel in his very first post (one doesn't ask such a question unless they are expecting it should be that way - else they wouldn't question whether it should be that way or not).  He also (loosely) brings up again in his next.

 

 

And I already said it doesn't need it. Unless your opponent is constantly and often summoning 2000+ ATK monsters (and if they are, you are likely SCREWED anyway), so you summoning a bunch of monsters to block him is just defense.  You can't really swarm with that because unless it is your own turn that your opponent is doing all this (not likely), you can only use those Summoned monsters for defense against whatever is coming.  In most cases, they are preparing something big and going to get rid of your monsters anyway.

 

 

 

As far as Immortal Bushi, it's the first card in the Graveyard I think of when talking about monsters that want you to have NO monsters before you Special Summon it from the Graveyard or use some special Summon effect that brings a monster from the Graveyard.  It does work like that after all.  I also call Immortal Bushi, the most racist YGO card ever, because his effect only works for Warriors and only if you have nothing BUT Warriors in your Graveyard,  So if you aren't a Warrior, he wants you out before he does anything and he won't work with you if you aren't a Warrior.  Racist card.

 

 

(It's an old joke for older players, usually goes over the heads of younger players).

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Seroochann questions if it is Once Per turn or Once per duel in his very first post (one doesn't ask such a question unless they are expecting it should be that way - else they wouldn't question whether it should be that way or not).  He also (loosely) brings up again in his next.

 

 

And I already said it doesn't need it. Unless your opponent is constantly and often summoning 2000+ ATK monsters (and if they are, you are likely SCREWED anyway), so you summoning a bunch of monsters to block him is just defense.  You can't really swarm with that because unless it is your own turn that your opponent is doing all this (not likely), you can only use those Summoned monsters for defense against whatever is coming.  In most cases, they are preparing something big and going to get rid of your monsters anyway.

 

 

 

As far as Immortal Bushi, it's the first card in the Graveyard I think of when talking about monsters that want you to have NO monsters before you Special Summon it from the Graveyard or use some special Summon effect that brings a monster from the Graveyard.  It does work like that after all.  I also call Immortal Bushi, the most racist YGO card ever, because his effect only works for Warriors and only if you have nothing BUT Warriors in your Graveyard,  So if you aren't a Warrior, he wants you out before he does anything and he won't work with you if you aren't a Warrior.  Racist card.

 

 

(It's an old joke for older players, usually goes over the heads of younger players).

you really like to hear yourself speak don't you? Nobody directly said anything about it needed it, and considering that it was a question, not a part of the review (which was under it when he states "As for the card" so I am not taking that into a count, even if it is related. If he means that it should have a OPT, he should have written it in the review, no ifs, ands or buts. As for your reason, while we're totaly not talking about that, it still negates that monsters effects, so unless he is brining out a powerhouse, he will probably be staled for a while in most cases. About Immortal being racist, I'm pretty sure you're the only one who cares, even if it's just a joke, it's not a good one.

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[spoiler=Bloody hell. 100 cards? And that's not counting the ones in my Yugico profile.]
If your opponent Special Summons a Monster with 2000 or more ATK: banish 2 monsters from your graveyard; negate the Effects of the Special Summoned Monster and if you do, Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower non-Tuner monster from your Hand. If you control no Monsters: you can banish this card in your Graveyard plus 1 level 3 or lower non-Tuner monster: Special Summon 1 Dragon-type Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck whose Level equals the total Level of the banished monsters. The effects of that Synchro Monster is negated. [/spoiler]

Credit for image goes to -Lightray Daedalus-.

I love this image, but that's beside the point. This card's first effect could be useful for same sort of sort of things tkraioh is in the sense that summons won't go off the way your opponet wants them to until your oppponent gets rid of this card. However, like raioh it has to be face-up to use that effect so your opponent won't be surpirised unless they aren't paying attention. 1700 ATK is good but not unbeatable for a level 4 with this effect, and of course your opponent could just special summon something and attack this card with it, even if they do lose out on the efffects. The 2nd effect would be fun in any deck that needs to get high level monsters out for costs. High rank Xyz and deta accel synchro decks would be 2 I'd think of, but you placed restrictions on the effect so that its viable, but not overpowered.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that you might have to specify the loctation of the non-tuner for the last effect (this is a guess from memory!)

edit: cardmaking since september 2006, Yay!
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you really like to hear yourself speak don't you? Nobody directly said anything about it needed it, and considering that it was a question, not a part of the review (which was under it when he states "As for the card" so I am not taking that into a count, even if it is related. If he means that it should have a OPT, he should have written it in the review, no ifs, ands or buts. As for your reason, while we're totaly not talking about that, it still negates that monsters effects, so unless he is brining out a powerhouse, he will probably be staled for a while in most cases. About Immortal being racist, I'm pretty sure you're the only one who cares, even if it's just a joke, it's not a good one.

 

Let's be completely clear: Right now, this conversation is happening because YOU didn't get what I said in my first post (which was on on-topic and not even directed to you or for whatever reason you read into it and decided you disliked it and needed to argue about it, so this being off-topic is all you being personal now.

 

- Was my first post about the card? Yes.

- Was my first post directed to anyone (even indirectly) other than the creator?  No.

- Was my first post about the creator's work positive or at least constructive?  Absolutely.

- Was any statement in the original post in regards to taking in account statements that were said (however "read into" or reactionary they might have been)? Yes.

- Were there any questions in the original post at all?  No, I said I was amazed people were questioning how it works and stated I needed to see the original version to see what the confusion was.

- Did you have to comment at all in regards to my statement if you didn't understand it anyway?  No.

- Could I let you just go off over nothing and let you talk to a wall?  Sure... but hey, I'm prior-service, military types tend to get rather principled if you attack us unprovoked like you've been doing.

- If you didn't get a reference someone makes, does that mean you should belittle it (which you very much have done) or make into an argument?  No.

 

Most importantly:  If we are IN AGREEMENT (not an argument) of the card at many points, what exactly are you arguing for if not for the sake of arguing?  So you're arguing that you don't get who a statement is referring to or that you don't see the logic in a statement that was made, so you need to argue over it?  Do you feel attacked or something by a statement that wasn't to you?  Did you read into it and decided it was about you and you needed to strike (which is ironic since you're complaining that I read into something)?

 

 

In your second post (toward me), you literally took it to a personal level and there's still no clear reason why.  I like to "hear myself talk?"  That's totally going to be received "positively".  I very much have a reason to report you because I've been nothing but respectful toward you in most any engagement you've forced me into with you (cold and logical as I always am, but respectful) and you've done little but be pointlessly antagonistic.  I break down your statements by parts and I answer/counter all of them and I go about my business.  If anything, you seem mad that I'm not being antagonistic to you back.

 

You on the other hand, you seem to do a hell of a lot to make things out into arguments with people and I still don't get why; still I see it constantly and I don't have to wonder why your post count is as high as it is here.

 

In fact, check your post count against mine and tell me who talks more.  Most of my actual posts (as opposed to ones like that that shouldn't have to be said) are rare and only about things I need think to be said when they aren't being said (usually in defense of a position, especially if people gang up on someone).  Most of the whole REASON I stopped just watching from the shadows like I have been for years is because of I got tired of seeing how people treat each other here.  No one is trying to be anyone's boss, but it would be nice if there were some "big brothers" around here (and we're not talking about mods who just enforce rules).

 

 

The card is nice, I said why without blowing smoke up someone's behind, but still very complimentary about the card and the creator's work on it and I think they should be rather proud of it.  What I said about the card to the creator cannot be argued.  That was my first post in this thread.

 

Then I left the thread.  I made a review and left with no need to return.  Pretty simple.  I'm back, because you want to argue and now you want to attack (over nothing BTW).   Actually no, I am here because someone in another thread SAID you were in here complaining (again... that whole "over nothing" thing keeps coming up).  Do you even know what you are arguing for (especially if apparently defending myself is just hearing myself talk)?  Do you even have a real answer?  I'm going to say "no".

 

Thanks in advance for deriding the conversation over nothing, time and energy well spent.

 

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My apologies to the thread owner though, it really is a nice card as I said from the beginning and I hope you make more of the same quality.  Congrats again on your 100th.

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It's quite good I only feel its a little weak. Effects like this one's fade away after the monster leaves the field so when the main deck boss monster shows up to kill this thing unless there is some special protection then its dead and the good main bosses (Priestess and Hyperion) resume their slaughter. The second effect is extra random to me with it having to be a dragon type monster but I guess that balances it out nicely. The only dragons I can think you would want to summon under those conditions are Ancient Fairy and Iron chain so that's a decent wall and beater (somewhat) option for you. All in all it was pretty decent.

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The Dragon-type only clause might seem random, but I had a reason. The card is based off Effect Veiler, which is Yusei's card. Since Yusei uses Dragon-type synchros, I figure it would be fitting if I gave it that restriction. Plus, it makes the card all the more balanced, which is like killing 2 Dark Magicians with 1 Burst Stream of Destruction. Also, the first effect isn't cancelled when the card leaves the field. -.-

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