Master of Sabers Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Personally... I don't mind having Monster Reborn. I don't mind when my opponent wins with it, seeing as I win with it too. It's like dark hole, or heavy storm. I rip them and go for game. I've lost because of them. It's a fantastic card, yes. It's personally one of my favorite cards. But does that mean it's fair? Nope. I feel as if it could be safely banned. We have plenty of other generic revival. Call of the Haunted? It's at three, folks. In this day and age, with the power creep simply getting worse and worse, cards like reborn are getting better and better. I don't want it to go, but I think it could very easily go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Monster Reborn allows you to select whatever you need from either Graveyard and punishes players for using cards that are independent and high in utility in different Decks. It also allows you to disrupt your opponent's Graveyard maneuvers (Lightpulsar, Lumina) and bypasses your opponent's attempts to disrupt your Synchro/Xyz Summons (by using Veiler on Constellar Kaust, for instance). Aside from Dino Rabbit, very few Decks would prefer any draw to Monster Reborn because Monster Reborn gives you the pick of anything you've used or anything your opponent has used. It's not impossible to play around (Solemn, Torrential, Bottomless, etc.) but it's 1-for-1 in that case, and if a player revived Stratos or Messengelato, Bottomless may still leave the opponent negative. And they will pick that if Monster Reborn provides that option. The Messengelato thing is ridiculous and unlikely, but it's the kind of thing that you could do because Monster Reborn is used in Madolches, a Deck that has no business running Call of the Haunted, for instance, because Reborn is good for digging through the opponent's Graveyard. The only way Monster Reborn is "fair" is that it gives much more speed to slow, inefficient Decks than it does to fast looping Decks. But it's a OTK enabler in fast looping Decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Reborn is fair. People that hate it use shitty arguments. Simple. At first I sensed sarcasm, then I saw your name. Reborn deserves to be banned because of it's sheer power. Sure, you can Warning Stardust and not be able to Reborn it, but you can Warning RedRum and still Reborn it, Reborn Hyperion, Reborn anything your opponent may potentially have...and then swing for game. The hell with a 1 card game changer, kill it before it lays eggs! Oh wait... It laid one a long time ago....Well, we kill the offspring, now let's kill the parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Are people really too thick to realise that Reborn's only as good as what it can get? If Reborn's too good, then it's other cards that are too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Are people really too thick to realise that Reborn's only as good as what it can get? If Reborn's too good, then it's other cards that are too good. Here's the problem: A problem target for Reborn is ANY HALFWAY DECENT BOSS MONSTER. Let's just ban all the fucking decent bosses, shall we! To support 1 fucking broken card! No, that's a shitty idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Monster Reborn is as good as everything it can get, combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, are you all done exaggerating how much Reborn changes a single game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, are you all done exaggerating how much Reborn changes a single game? Nope. Because it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, are you all done exaggerating how much Reborn changes a single game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Are people really too thick to realise that Reborn's only as good as what it can get? If Reborn's too good, then it's other cards that are too good. Here's the problem: A problem target for Reborn is ANY HALFWAY DECENT BOSS MONSTER. Let's just ban all the fucking decent bosses, shall we! To support 1 fucking broken card! No, that's a shitty idea. Monster Reborn is as good as everything it can get, combined. So, are you all done exaggerating how much Reborn changes a single game? Read bold only. And my answer: A lot, if not everything about 90% of the time unless you have an out to it. And even if you have an out to it, it shouldn't be THAT good of a card... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Ok, it's a fact that in and of itself, it's not Reborn that's the issue, but the stuff it brings back. However, Konami being themselves, if they are ever going to hit that issue, they will hit this instead of the 30+ cards that is the really problem with it. It is the easiest thing they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 It has never been balanced. Even when the game was all Summoned Skull and Blue-Eyes, this card was a game-changing card. Even back then it had the Graceful Charity combo. Even back then it exchanged it's place in the banlist with Call of the Haunted and Premature Burial every so often. Personally speaking, if a card is an absolute staple, and can't possibly be at 3, either there's something in the game to be adressed, or the card shouldn't exist. Few exceptions like Heavy Storm exist, but Monster Reborn is one of the dozens that shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I must be the only one who doesn't set myself up to losing to a topdecked Reborn, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 even if you have an out to it, it shouldn't be THAT good of a card... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I must be the only one who doesn't set myself up to losing to a topdecked Reborn, I guess. The same reasoning that says that all players that lose are bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Not every deck can keep its bosses on the field as easily as Dark Worlds though Chris... No one intentionally sets up a top decked Reborn, if anything Reborn punishes you for using boss monsters a lot of the time. Besides, just because you don't fall victim to top decked Reborn doesn't change the fact that many games that should have been won by a player have been taken away because of this top deck. I'd ask you nicely to stop viewing everyone here as the same kind of bad, but I know I'm talking to you. Yes we aren't great at the game, but it doesn't always render our views and opinions invalid, and yours automatically right. Even the greatest men aren't all knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Not every deck can keep its bosses on the field as easily as Dark Worlds though Chris... No one intentionally sets up a top decked Reborn, if anything Reborn punishes you for using boss monsters a lot of the time. Besides, just because you don't fall victim to top decked Reborn doesn't change the fact that many games that should have been won by a player have been taken away because of this top deck. I'd ask you nicely to stop viewing everyone here as the same kind of bad, but I know I'm talking to you. Yes we aren't great at the game, but it doesn't always render our views and opinions invalid, and yours automatically right. Even the greatest men aren't all knowing. What the fuck does Dark Worlds have to do with anything? You should always play around the one out your opponent could have, or else you'll lose to it, simple as that. No, not that many have. Reborn tends to be a low-impact card because it'll either sit in a players hand and reward them for using it properly, or they'll just use it whenever and lose because they wasted it, or it'll be entirely win more. Everyone here IS the same kind of bad, bar very very few. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Everyone here IS the same kind of bad, bar very very few. Just saying. Why are you here again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 [quote name="Borderline Unplayable" post="6134751" timestamp="1359817539"]What the fuck does Dark Worlds have to do with anything? You should always play around the one out your opponent could have, or else you'll lose to it, simple as that. No, not that many have. Reborn tends to be a low-impact card because it'll either sit in a players hand and reward them for using it properly, or they'll just use it whenever and lose because they wasted it, or it'll be entirely win more. Everyone here IS the same kind of bad, bar very very few. Just saying.[/quote] How does holding off on a good card make that card low-impact? If anything that'd make it an extremely high-impact card. Yo said so yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 You should always play around the one out your opponent could have, or else you'll lose to it, simple as that. Mkay so I'm just gonna stop playing the game so my Boss doesn't risk dying to a Random Torrential or Smashing Ground or any one off destruction my opponent plays for the sole reason that they'd topdeck Reborn and get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I learned something yesterday, which is that Chris is trolling. But this song and dance is fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I learned something yesterday, which is that Chris is trolling. But this song and dance is fun to watch. Chris is too cool to troll. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzdWPwVTWsI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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