Azuh Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 An example of a card that does way too much. It can nearly send the entire Deck to the Graveyard with just a couple of combos. The Frog Engine should die and this card should burn in hell with his brother Subsitoad Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 No, frog engine is really fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judαs Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Noooo. It should, and will stay at 3. It's not even close to being as broken as Substitoad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Noooo. It should, and will stay at 3. It's not even close to being as broken as Substitoad though. Do you understand what card design is? That said, Ronin and Treeborn are more problematic than this, by nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Really...? I mean, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I want Giorlando to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 So it's either a -1 to send a frog,or a 141 to send a frog that takes your normal summon? It's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 So it's either a -1 to send a frog,or a 141 to send a frog that takes your normal summon? It's fine. How the fuck is turning any WATER in hand into a Foolish Burial fine? I'm not saying it's an issue in any way, or even the main issue with frogs, but that's a rather stretched version of fine. Being a -1 does not mean a card is balanced or well designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 it's hilariously nightmarish and pretty much the basis of the frog engine. In a perfect world, this would probably be limited, but it's not a necessity, nor a problem at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 How the fuck is turning any WATER in hand into a Foolish Burial fine? I'm not saying it's an issue in any way, or even the main issue with frogs, but that's a rather stretched version of fine. Being a -1 does not mean a card is balanced or well designed. Because it's a very specific foolish burial,and its -1 or NS taking is a very fair cost for that one burial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Because it's a very specific foolish burial,and its -1 or NS taking is a very fair cost for a burial. Foolish Burial is a -1. That argument is invalid. Normal Summoning it early game doesn't cost you at all. I don't see how this is a fair cost when you can put everything you want in your grave in a single turn. The deck it works for makes it work so well that the "specific" argument has no grounds. To top it all off, it's searchable. The card's not fair in any sense of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Foolish Burial is a -1. That argument is invalid. Normal Summoning it early game doesn't cost you at all. I don't see how this is a fair cost when you can put everything you want in your grave in a single turn. The deck it works for makes it work so well that the "specific" argument has no grounds. To top it all off, it's searchable. The card's not fair in any sense of the word. You'd be putting everything you want at the cost of 2/3 cards in hand, mitigating almost every + the things you're sending give. And im OK with foolish,mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 You'd be putting everything you want at the cost of 2/3 cards in hand, mitigating almost every + the things you're sending give. And im OK with foolish,mostly. And? You're completely set up for the rest of the game. If you have Salvage, all the better. How is setting you up for an entire game in exchange for some advantage as bad as you make it out to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 You can set up moulinglace on first turn with this card. I know that form experience. I love this card, though it is busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 And? You're completely set up for the rest of the game. If you have Salvage, all the better. How is setting you up for an entire game in exchange for some advantage as bad as you make it out to be? Well, not "bad", but not very worth saying a card is bad design for. And salvage would be more of a problem there(not that either of them is a problem.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Card is AWFULLY designed, but it's so fun to play! Should we kill it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Treeborn is waay worse than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 >Swap Frog >Horrible design Hahahah-fuck you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Card is AWFULLY designed, but it's so fun to play! Should we kill it? 1. It's not really that horrible, it's just that its targets are dangerous. 2. Why? It's fun to play and frogs haven't topped in a while ( to my knowledge anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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