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I know that we're only two and a half weeks into this format, but I feel that, given the current meta, a thread like this should be made.

 

The top tier decks of this format, in no particular order, are as follows:

*Mermail

*Fire Fist

*Spellbooks

*Elemental Dragons

*Constellars

*Evilswarm

(please tell me if I have forgotten something)

 

A brief description of each:

 

*Elemental Dragons are probably the most annoying deck out there right now besides maybe Spellbooks.  They can maintain ridiculous hand advantage with cards like Seven Star Sword, Gold Sarcophagus, and any of their main archetypal members as well as infinitely recurring field advantage due to all their big level 7s reviving themselves from the graveyard for virtually no cost.  Another notable point is that they have easy access to some great rank 7s like Big Eye and Drago-SAC.  To top it all off, they can consistently summon Light and Darkness Dragon either first-turn or second-turn without very much effort due to Eclipse Wyvern's searching ability, which can mutilate many decks inside-out.

 

*If Elemental Dragons aren't the most retarded deck of the format, then that title must go to Spellbooks now that they have Spellbook Judgment Day.  This single card is literally insane.  It basically prevents you from EVER losing card advantage and it allows the deck to thin by a monumental number such as 6 or 7 in some cases, it's potentially searchable by 5 cards, and, on top of that, it grabs bosses straight from the deck.  This deck is able to drop multiples of High Priestess of Prophecy by turn 2 or 3 and recover any monsters they lose with Spellbook of Life.  Like Elemental Dragons, they have access to the rank 7 pool, which is looking pretty good.  What makes the deck so dumb to play against is that they entail almost no player-player interaction whatsoever, simply spamming the 5+ cards they grabbed with judgment and taking 4-5 minute turns before they game you after building up a hand of 6+ cards.

 

*Mermails got a huge boost when Mermail Abyssteus hit the TCG, creating an entirely different Merlanteans build that is far stronger than before.  Literally every single monster card in the deck has either "Special summon" or "from your deck to your hand" in the card text except for Atlantean Infantry, which leads to the deck having incredible swarming abilities and godly consistency.  This deck has the ability to either OTK turn 2-3 with cards like Mermail Abyssgunde and Mermail Abyssmegalo or sit on a Mermail Abyssleed that munches up your opponent's hand on a solid 2700 body.  This deck, like the two above, has easy access to the rank 7 card pool as well as Mermail Abyssgaios, which is basically a one-sided Skill Drain.

 

*The current Fire Fist build is the level 4 control-based build with Brotherhood of the Fire Fist- Bear being the key card of the deck, but if or when Brotherhood of the Fire Fist- Chicken hits the TCG, shit gon go down, given as this card can easily +2 by itself in a single turn.  Anyways, current Fire Fists are a powerful control deck with 12-15 backrows and Fire Formation Tenki, which is a godly RoTA-esque searcher card that is searchable by the things it damn searches.  On that note, Brotherhood of the Fire Fist- Bear, with the aid of Tenki, makes a gamestate similar to that of the interactions between Inzektor Centipede and Inzektor Hornet.  The icing on the cake is that this deck is very difficult to side against.

 

*Constellars are a fairly benign deck, the only possible problem cards being Constellar Pleiades and Constellar Sombres, the former being a bounce during either turn and the latter being a normal summon -> Xyz that puts Wolfberk to shame.  They have the benefit of their main card, Constellar Kaus, being searchable by Tenki, allowing for more consistency in summoning Pleiades, as well as their own gift-wrapped searcher card, Constellar Sheratan.  Like Fire Fists, they can run a substantial amount of backrow, allowing them to maintain field control easily.

 

*Evilswarms run in a similar manner as Constellars, converting hand advantage into powerful Xyz, but they diverge form them in that their boss, Evilswarm Ophion, mutilates the majority of its competition, such as Mermails, Elemental Dragons, and Spellbooks inside out by preventing them from special summoning any level 5 or higher monsters.  On top of that, Ophion grabs its own Forbidden Lance as soon as you drop the sucker, making him a thoroughly retarded boss to face.  Evilswarms have the advantage of utilizing Rescue Rabbit and Evilswarm Cercyonto summon their bosses off of -0s.

 

So, which decks do you think will be hit next format, and how?  Which deserve to be hit most?  What do you have to say about the current state of the game?

 

Discuss these points and more.

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Blake Newbie

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September 1st, 2013

 

Banned

 

- Spellbook Judgment Day

 

Limited

 

- Fire Formation - Tenki

- Atlantean Dragoons

- Mecha Phantom Beast Drago-Sack

- Rescue Rabbit

Rabbit won't go lower, Drago-Sac isn't even remotely limit worthy on its own, Tenki probably wont ever get hit in favor of hitting Bear/Chicken, lack of Big Eye, etc.

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I'd rather hit both Drago-Sack and Big Eye to 1, LaDD to 1, Gold Sarc to 1, Ophion to 1 among lots of other things just in these decks alone.

Gold Sarc and LaDD are fuckign awful ideas, and Drago-SAC is innocent. Why are you blaming it for the existence of the 4?

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Gold Sarc and LaDD are fuckign awful ideas, and Drago-SAC is innocent. Why are you blaming it for the existence of the 4?

 

Because as I just said, you can't hit all the dragons which obviously are the problem.

 

I don't think hitting Big Eye is enough tbh.



As for the rankings of the decks:
 
1. Spellbooks / Prophecy
2. Elemental Dragons
3. Evilswarm
4. Fire Fist (post chicken)
5. Mermails (either version)
 
Constellars aren't even on this list
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The Elemental Dragons need to go, plain and simple. Drop their banish effect and they're fine. Seeing as how that simply cannot happen, the next best thing is to neuter the deck.

IT NEEDS TO DIE

 

All that needs to happen is a global limiting of all the dragons. That's it. They're still insanely splashable in other decks, and if they didn't work with themselves this well, would actually promote a lot of deck diversity and new builds. Since that, again, simply cannot happen, their tyranny must come to an end.

 

Sadly this won't happen for another year at least.

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What I'd like to see:

Banned:
Judgment

Limited:
Tenki
Dragoons
All 4 Main EDragons
Ophion

What will probably happen:

Forbidden:
None

Limited:
Spellbook of Secrets
Fire Fist Bear
Big Eye
Dragoons
Chaos Emperor Dragon
Yata-Garasu

Semi:
Tenki

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Judgement is probably the worst designed card that has appeared in at least 3 years. It's broken no matter the format, and turns Prophecy into a deck that plays like an alt. win condition. Konami might limit it for a format before banning it, but it needs to go soon. The deck without it is actually quite balanced and fun.

 

Incarnate Dragons are another major issue. Literally the only way to hurt them is limiting/banning every one of the 4 big Dragons, and that shows how much of a hideous design they are. It wouldn't hurt to limit Big Eye/Drago-sack too, they are being abused way too much lately, not only by Dragons.

 

Mermails have evolved in such a way that limiting/banning Dragoons won't hurt them that much. Multiple hits will be needed once they decide to take the deck down.

 

Fire Fists got new cards too, but I still think that limiting Tenki would be the best way to hit them. They would probably be able to manage.

 

I still think that Rabbit should be limited. That not being likely to happen, Ophion could be limited if they want to hit Evilswarm. Still, it's nice to have a strong anti-meta deck going around.

 

I don't think Constellars are too much of an issue at the moment.

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Instead of talking about future wishlist, we should just make a petition to konami to get a new R&D.

 

Also, is it just me or is this format's decks going to be more expensive then ever before?

 

Spellbook Judgment Day confirmed for Omega Sparkling Area 51 Rarity with Diamond Laced Text.

 

1 in every 50 boxes.

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Instead of talking about future wishlist, we should just make a petition to konami to get a new R&D.

 

Also, is it just me or is this format's decks going to be more expensive then ever before?

Mermails already have several Secrets and Ultras

Prophecy are million-dollar solitaire

Fire Fists are only expensive because of Bear, but will be more expensive depending on the rarities of the EDragons and remaining cards

The price of EDragons depend entirely on what rarity they make them and how much people value supers.

HA07 has so many pricey cards that I think people will overbuy them and eventually most people will have a lot of the good cards, diminishing the HA prices.

That being said, I'd say that how expensive Verz and Constellar are depends entirely on Sombres and Kerykion's rarities. If they're secret, and they probably will be secret, then they'll be expensive.

Constellars will already be a lot more expensive than Verz thanks to Bear alone.

 

So yes, the only real viable decks will be expensive. Wind-Ups will be pretty cheap until then, though.

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[quote name="Legend Zero" post="6163784" timestamp="1363571968"]Also, is it just me or is this format's decks going to be more expensive then ever before?[/quote] Well... *Junon is at $120 *Abussmegalo is at $130 *Bear is at $60-$70 *We don't have a price tag on Judgment Day or the Incarnates. Soooo...probably. Good thing I play online.

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