Blake Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 DARK Rank 4 Plant/Xyz/Effect 2 Level 4 Monsters Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls with ATK less than or equal to this card's; send it to the Graveyard, and if you do, inflict 1000 damage to your opponent. This card cannot attack the turn you activate this effect. 2100/1500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 DDV everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 ddv and "send" are the only reasons i still use it regularly, just because, as ive said for the millionth time now, i much prefer papilloperative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I notice Spore hasn't yet been errata'd to clarify whether you can banish this. Does this mean a Spore reprint soon? OT, card is good but only my 3rd choice normally. It's basically a Rank 4 Temtempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I notice Spore hasn't yet been errata'd to clarify whether you can banish this. Does this mean a Spore reprint soon? OT, card is good but only my 3rd choice normally. It's basically a Rank 4 Temtempo. Spore affects Level. It cannot banish Plant Xyz because Plant Xyz don't have Levels to increase Spore's Level by. It's the same thing with Give or Take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 if they wanted spore to work with this theyd change it to something like "and if that banished monster has a Level,..." but why would they want to? spore is fine. this being a plant is mostly meaningless. theres no need to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Spore affects Level. It cannot banish Plant Xyz because Plant Xyz don't have Levels to increase Spore's Level by. It's the same thing with Give or Take. I assumed this was true but it's possible they reprint Spore to say "banish 1 Plant-Type monster that has a level". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Number 50: Cornship of Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Number 50: Cornship of BlackDO WHAT YOU WANT CUZ' A MODERATOR IS FREE~YOU ARE STELLAR BLACK!-YAR-HAR TWEEDLEY DEE, BEING A MOD IS ALRIGHT WITH MEDO WHAT YOU WANT CUZ' A MODERATOR IS FREE-YOU ARE STELLAR BLACK~....I mean.....Artwork in the OP is pretty badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I assumed this was true but it's possible they reprint Spore to say "banish 1 Plant-Type monster that has a level". Unlikely. I'm pretty sure they'd have to reprint quite a few cards if players really need it emphasized that Xyz do not have levels and cards that affect Level cannot be used on or with Xyz. It's a rule exclusive to Xyz, and wouldn't really need the card texts to constantly remind you of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Let's give him a cool chaos number, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 It's cool. Not as useful as everybody has said it is in the past, but still fairly good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 It's the second best Rank 4. Also read as: the best generic Rank 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 I use it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 First Number to break the Hope and Revise chain. One of the best Generic Rank 4 Xyz. Staple worthy. DARK. Plant-Type. Mini Volcasaurus. Its a boat made of corn. What's not to love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraneMonk Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Where did that art in the OP come from!? OT: My favorite tool against Zenmaines and other such nuisances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 First Number to break the Hope and Revise chain. One of the best Generic Rank 4 Xyz. Staple worthy. DARK. Plant-Type. Mini Volcasaurus. Its a boat made of corn. What's not to love? For me it's the fact that it's not EU legal, but I agree with everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 ddv and "send" are the only reasons i still use it regularly, just because, as ive said for the millionth time now, i much prefer papilloperative. Unless you play wind ups ur bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Unless you play wind ups ur bad. ahahahaha, no im not. thats been the prevailing opinion of MOST people forever now. some fun examples for you: 1) papilloperative can hit face-down monsters, blackship cant. even if its a ryko or snowman eater it doesnt matter. its better to get hit by it in the main phase and leave a 0 atk position monster around that you can summon something else to hit basically directly than to stumble into that shit blindly with blackship and get nothing. 2) unless the monster has 1700+ atk, papill does more damage. and thats only for the first shot. if papill survives long enough to do it AGAIN (with forbidden dress/lance and safe zone around thats possible depending on your build) then theres no way it can do less damage than blackship. 3) light warrior has infinitely more support than dark plant. the plant part of blackship is irrelevant because outside of gigaplant/tytannial/bad spells and traps, it mostly focuses on level which blackship doesnt have. 4) the main cards people cite when they say blackship is better are linde, gachi gachi, and zenmaines. linde im willing to concede on. gachi gachi being hit with blackship is an inconvenience. gachi gachi hit by papill is usually game unless theyre smart and dont try to save it. zenmaines is hardly any better and if you have 2 other ways of destroying a 900 atk position zenmaines then papill is again, better. in summation, youre wrong. nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 I love the art and really useful against those damn Zemaines. The art in the op... where did it come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 [quote name="clairedestroyer" post="6167300" timestamp="1364058413"]ahahahaha, no im not. thats been the prevailing opinion of MOST people forever now. some fun examples for you: 1) papilloperative can hit face-down monsters, blackship cant. even if its a ryko or snowman eater it doesnt matter. its better to get hit by it in the main phase and leave a 0 atk position monster around that you can summon something else to hit basically directly than to stumble into that shit blindly with blackship and get nothing. 2) unless the monster has 1700+ atk, papill does more damage. and thats only for the first shot. if papill survives long enough to do it AGAIN (with forbidden dress/lance and safe zone around thats possible depending on your build) then theres no way it can do less damage than blackship. 3) light warrior has infinitely more support than dark plant. the plant part of blackship is irrelevant because outside of gigaplant/tytannial/bad spells and traps, it mostly focuses on level which blackship doesnt have. 4) the main cards people cite when they say blackship is better are linde, gachi gachi, and zenmaines. linde im willing to concede on. gachi gachi being hit with blackship is an inconvenience. gachi gachi hit by papill is usually game unless theyre smart and dont try to save it. zenmaines is hardly any better and if you have 2 other ways of destroying a 900 atk position zenmaines then papill is again, better. in summation, youre wrong. nice try.[/quote] So much this. I prefer Papi over Corn, although I try to run both if I can. If I can't, then Papi goes in first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 another fact that i forgot to mention in papill's favor: it can hit monsters stronger than it by switching them to defense or scaring your opponent into switching it to defense. for corn you have to throw away a forbidden lance or dress, because theres no way youre running awful-minor-stat-boost.card just for blackship and if you are, then i dont trust your opinion on which cards are more useful. not to say that blackship is bad. its a solid #4 in generic rank 4's. papill just happens to be #2 so youre out of luck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 Wait, so what is you guys' list of Rank 4's? I typically go: Maestroke Gagaga Cowboy Papill Black Corn Abyss Dweller But, I have used Blackship of Corn quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 maestroke papill cowboy blackship utopia/pearl/abyss dweller depending on deck thats of course after playing rank 4s specific to the deck like gear gigant etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 ahahahaha, no im not. thats been the prevailing opinion of MOST people forever now. some fun examples for you: 1) papilloperative can hit face-down monsters, blackship cant. even if its a ryko or snowman eater it doesnt matter. its better to get hit by it in the main phase and leave a 0 atk position monster around that you can summon something else to hit basically directly than to stumble into that shit blindly with blackship and get nothing. 2) unless the monster has 1700+ atk, papill does more damage. and thats only for the first shot. if papill survives long enough to do it AGAIN (with forbidden dress/lance and safe zone around thats possible depending on your build) then theres no way it can do less damage than blackship. 3) light warrior has infinitely more support than dark plant. the plant part of blackship is irrelevant because outside of gigaplant/tytannial/bad spells and traps, it mostly focuses on level which blackship doesnt have. 4) the main cards people cite when they say blackship is better are linde, gachi gachi, and zenmaines. linde im willing to concede on. gachi gachi being hit with blackship is an inconvenience. gachi gachi hit by papill is usually game unless theyre smart and dont try to save it. zenmaines is hardly any better and if you have 2 other ways of destroying a 900 atk position zenmaines then papill is again, better. in summation, youre wrong. nice try. 1. Summoning Blackship for a face down is fucking stupid. if you think a ur opponent has ryko or snowman, you should wait until you have an appropriate counter, or are willing for Blackship to be destroyed. I guess in general Maestroke would be better than both since it could absorb both effects better. 2. That's assuming you will have a successful battle. In this reason you stated that you may need other cards to use the Butterfly effectively... but Blackship doesn't really need any other cards to be useful. 3. This is the most useless point yet. We're not talking about Light Warrior.dek. We're talking about the cards by themselves, as they're most used, as tech. Just because you can use, oh i don't know, Honest with it, that doesn't mean it's better. I'm honestly ignorant on Photon support so I won't mention anything on that. 4. Again, most of this is off the fact that you will have a successful battle. Plus, if you are using the Butterfly by itself, you are leaving a monster on the field with Gachi and Zenmaines. Don't be bad and say "look at all the damage I can inflict lololol" because advantage wise you aren't accomplishing anything. I'm not saying it isn't decent. If your opponent has no backrow, then yea, using it to inflict just enough damage can end a game. But the Ship is a better option more often then not. You also said something about switching your opponents monster's to defense... you'll have to elaborate that for me. Monsters 2200 ATK or more will rarely be in defense position, so that's a more or less irrelevant point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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