Last Will

[Superdoopertrooper]

 

 

What do you think would use this and would it actually be that good?

[Northern Sage]

So many targets, such a pitifully simple condition…

Just no.

[L0SS]

Konami weren't even trying. It wasn't an issue when the meta began, but it soon became one. Leave it be.

[Superdoopertrooper]

So many targets, such a pitifully simple condition…

Just no.

 

The condition isn't as good as you'd think. A lot of hands will render this card dead, and one <1500 summon from the deck wont break the bank. Also, the amount of targets means very little if 95% of them would never be summoned by it (which they wouldn't). Most decks wouldn't use it, and I can't think of any particular deck that would break this to the point where it would need to be banned.

 

Konami weren't even trying. It wasn't an issue when the meta began, but it soon became one. Leave it be.

 

It was actually never that great when it was legal. About the only time this card may have warranted a ban was during the peak of the Synchro era. Now, it's back to how it was, just an average card.

[Lonk]

Go home SuperDooperTrooper, you're drunk again.  Anyway of sending your monster to the Graveyard trigger's its effect.  Being able to Special Summon any monster with 1500 or less ATK (and there are a bunch of them, including game-changing targets) from your Deck with stupidly easy conditions to fulfill makes it badly designed.  The card might not be relevant with Decks that rely on Xyz Summons (because Xyz Materials are not monsters and are not sent from the field to the Graveyard), but it still doesn't excuse its gross power.

[Aerion Brightflame]

It was actually never that great when it was legal. About the only time this card may have warranted a ban was during the peak of the Synchro era. Now, it's back to how it was, just an average card.

 

Wasn't this banned though back in the middle of GX era? Since I seem to recall it went the same time as Victory Dragon did. I think it was deemed to versatile back then anyhow, and it going meant stuff like Exiled Force could move back up. The game has changed a lot since then though.

 

EDIT: Yeah I checked, it was banned in March 2007. The same time as Graceful Charity, and Magician of Faith. 

 

It depends on the deck tbh. I mean from looking at the better decks: Chicken Fists good, and it clears out the stray Chicken left at the end of the play. It'd let them go into something like Levair of Tempentempo off of the bat with Horse Prince. Or Lion Emperor if you wanted that. It could maybe depending on how you open turn a field of Horse Prince and Chicken, into a field or Horse Prince Leviar and Soko.

 

Karakuri, no idea if they would. Since there main combo atm already wraps up nicely, but I don't know enough about them to determine how game changing that could be.

 

Tempest Drags don't need it once they have set-up I think.

 

It'd probably give something like Junk Doppel a massive boost? (No idea, but they seem like they could benefit a lot from it.)  I guess Xyz heavy decks don't need it, nor would most of them hugely profit from it. Hieratics would be the exception if anything fulfilled the condition.

 

It's kinda cruddy design because you shouldn't be able to tool like this. At least, not splashably. But... without Rescue Cat.... I mean, there might be game changing targets but how many of them are in decks that could consistently use this? Or that wouldn't already have a better way to get it out.

[Sora1499]

This is one of those cards that can only get worse as time goes on. Sangam is all the 1500- searching we need in the game, leave this to rest. It also would be great in madolches.

[Expelsword]

The condition isn't as good as you'd think. A lot of hands will render this card dead, and one <1500 summon from the deck wont break the bank. Also, the amount of targets means very little if 95% of them would never be summoned by it (which they wouldn't). Most decks wouldn't use it, and I can't think of any particular deck that would break this to the point where it would need to be banned.

 

 

It was actually never that great when it was legal. About the only time this card may have warranted a ban was during the peak of the Synchro era. Now, it's back to how it was, just an average card.

Go home.

[TheKaitoKid]

I don't agree that this is badly designed. Only because of when it was designed/released [Yugi Evolution]. At the time, this way very tame and was only really used when you went for the loltributesummon. Hell, it was actually pretty bad due to being slow (which is really saying somethign cause back then they game was INCREDIBLY slow). New cards came out and broke it. Thus it wasn't badly desgined, cause at the time it was fine.

[Zazubat]

I don't agree that this is badly designed. Only because of when it was designed/released [Yugi Evolution]. At the time, this way very tame and was only really used when you went for the loltributesummon. Hell, it was actually pretty bad due to being slow (which is really saying somethign cause back then they game was INCREDIBLY slow). New cards came out and broke it. Thus it wasn't badly desgined, cause at the time it was fine.

Truer words have never been spoken. It's badly designed, just like how Instant Fusion is, it may not have been at the time, but it is regardless of what anyone says. In this meta, it probably want be very good, because of higher ATK monsters, Xyz Monsters etc. but that doesn't mean it's still not a stupid design and I hope they don't bring this back, I mean they realized how crappy Sangan was, so they know at least a thing about what they're doing. I guess.

[Sora1499]

I don't agree that this is badly designed. Only because of when it was designed/released [Yugi Evolution]. At the time, this way very tame and was only really used when you went for the loltributesummon. Hell, it was actually pretty bad due to being slow (which is really saying somethign cause back then they game was INCREDIBLY slow). New cards came out and broke it. Thus it wasn't badly desgined, cause at the time it was fine.

This card is a prime example of cards that can only get worse over time.  Exhibit A: Rescue Cat.  Back in the day, Kitty wasn't really bannably broken, but then a bunch of other cards came along, cards that in and of themselves weren't problems, and made Kitty a big problem.  

 

If a card needs to be shackled by lack of useful applications, then isn't it saying that that card has too much potential for broken applications, and therefore is poorly designed?

 

Any counterarguments?  I would like to here a few of these.

[L0SS]

This card is a prime example of cards that can only get worse over time.  Exhibit A: Rescue Cat.  Back in the day, Kitty wasn't really bannably broken, but then a bunch of other cards came along, cards that in and of themselves weren't problems, and made Kitty a big problem.  

 

If a card needs to be shackled by lack of useful applications, then isn't it saying that that card has too much potential for broken applications, and therefore is poorly designed?

 

Any counterarguments?  I would like to here a few of these.

*hear. Sorry, just picked up on that. And yes, a good example there. Such general and easily fulfilled conditions, and for such a wide monster pool, was never a good idea.

[Expelsword]

When they made this card, they had no idea that they would create Synchros or Xyz and Fusions and Rituals cost you a lot of cards.

It wasn't poorly designed, but now it's too strong.

[Sleepy]

Frognarchs Tribute Treeborn > get their Monarch effect, and get to Special Summon from the Deck.

I wonder if Plants would even need Glow-Up at all anymore.

Any Synchro Deck will have too much of a generic search.

Madolches still touch the Graveyard.

Abbyssmegalo Tributes Diva and searches Marksman.

Inzektors search more quickly for Hornet or potentially half their options.

Incarnates still Synchro Summon.

Spellbooks have self-Tributing effects.

Karakuris OTK more easily.

Six Samurai swarms more effiiciently.

 

Generic uses:

Enemy Controller Tribute.

Search off from your own Dark Hole/Torrential.

 

 

I think it's still too good. Sangan would come back before this card does, and looking at how Sangan was banned not that long ago... well.

[玄魔の王]

This card is a prime example of cards that can only get worse over time.  Exhibit A: Rescue Cat.  Back in the day, Kitty wasn't really bannably broken, but then a bunch of other cards came along, cards that in and of themselves weren't problems, and made Kitty a big problem.  

 

If a card needs to be shackled by lack of useful applications, then isn't it saying that that card has too much potential for broken applications, and therefore is poorly designed?

Sadly, I agree with you. I remember back when the game began and this wasn't useful for anything at all. Funny enough, this thing can be a one-card Dark Mist if you pick Hero Ki- *shot*

 

Yeah, it needs to stay gawn.

[Flame Dragon]

Last Will, it makes any creature into a better Sangan. 

[Superdoopertrooper]

Last Will, it makes any creature into a better Sangan. 

 

That's incorrect and you know it.

 

That creature has to go from the field to the graveyard (and generally in MP1 as well for it to be any good) in order for it work. There are many times where Last Will shall be dead simply because you cant even activate it. And even if you do activate it, it's just a Mystic Tomato + UFO Turtle + the other recruiters in one, and wouldn't be uber broke or anything.

[Zazubat]

That's incorrect and you know it.

That creature has to go from the field to the graveyard (and generally in MP1 as well for it to be any good) in order for it work. There are many times where Last Will shall be dead simply because you cant even activate it. And even if you do activate it, it's just a Mystic Tomato + UFO Turtle + the other recruiters in one, and wouldn't be uber broke or anything.

The thing is, you're wasting Normals for your move, as Sleepy pointed out, therere tons of ways to use it. And it's way more flexable than Attribute and Type specific cards.

[Miror B]

That's incorrect and you know it.

 

That creature has to go from the field to the graveyard (and generally in MP1 as well for it to be any good) in order for it work. There are many times where Last Will shall be dead simply because you cant even activate it. And even if you do activate it, it's just a Mystic Tomato + UFO Turtle + the other recruiters in one, and wouldn't be uber broke or anything.

+0 Synchro Summons still exist, even in this age of Xyz monsters.

Remember plants? Well they synchro summon, AND Lonefire gets this card off on its own.

Let's also not forget Six Samurai are still semi-consistent and giving them another searcher might just be dangerous.

And most Incarnate decks will run Debris because searchable and lvl 11 Dragon Synchro, among other things

I'm just getting started too.

[Zazubat]

+0 Synchro Summons still exist, even in this age of Xyz monsters.

Remember plants? Well they synchro summon, AND Lonefire gets this card off on its own.

Let's also not forget Six Samurai are still semi-consistent and giving them another searcher might just be dangerous.

And most Incarnate decks will run Debris because searchable and lvl 11 Dragon Synchro, among other things

I'm just getting started too.

Talking about Synchros, you can easily go into an Xyz Monster by using low ATK monsters with high Levels. Inferno Reckless Summon is just as situanational as this card would be, and that's why I dislike the design of cards like that, but that doens't make them less usable.

[Superdoopertrooper]

 Inferno Reckless Summon is just as situanational as this card would be, and that's why I dislike the design of cards like that, but that doens't make them less usable.

 

It does make them less usable. That's why they aren't used. Name any deck in the last thousand years that has played Inferno Reckless Summon.

 

Talking about Synchros, you can easily go into an Xyz Monster by using low ATK monsters with high Levels.

 

No, that wouldn't be easy at all. You'd have to trigger it first somehow, then have the high level monster in the deck to bring out AND have another high level monster with the same level on the field. This is just classic banophobia; people can't think of any good specific examples, so they start dribbling about inconsistent or mediocre combos and try to pretend it's banworthy.

[Judαs]

Name any deck in the last thousand years that has played Inferno Reckless Summon.

(from tips)

Hieratic
Watt
Batteryman
Skull Servant
Toon
Tuningware FTKs

Also saw IRS in a weird Yubel variant which spammed Gustav Maxes, and it can also be used in Gimmick Puppets.

[Expelsword]

Call of the Haunted, Limit Reverse, and Monster Reborn are easy ways to trigger IRS, and are not bad cards otherwise.

[Zazubat]

No, that wouldn't be easy at all. You'd have to trigger it first somehow, then have the high level monster in the deck to bring out AND have another high level monster with the same level on the field. This is just classic banophobia; people can't think of any good specific examples, so they start dribbling about inconsistent or mediocre combos and try to pretend it's banworthy.

Are you stupid? The Synchro itself does that.

[Superdoopertrooper]

Are you stupid? The Synchro itself does that.

 

So you're going -1 or +0 to Synchro, then using this to bring out presumably Fog King or something to make a -1 (or 2) Xyz by using that and the synchro as materials... Yeah, that sucks. Try again.