The current state of the meta.

[Toffee.]

Wait, how come nobody has mentioned Frog FTK format? That was definitely, absolutely the worst.

At least people could actually buy that deck... Heh...

[Miror B]

3 words.

Welcome to Hell March.

[Sleepy]

This is the reason why I'm not a competitive player. During the first few Synchro formats, I understood the current top tier decks are always gonna be awful for the game, save for arguably very little exceptions. Goat Format coming to mind, even if half the cards in it were questionable design and nowadays are downright banned and bannable in their own right.

LS OTKd

BWs were so versatile they wouldn't die for multiple formats despite the hits, and would always get new variations.

Frog FTK. You can't even call that "play".

Rescue Cat was all about swarm abuse.

Sacred Phoenix was a Heavy on legs with HUUGE ATK for it's time and immunte to most removal. Back when MST was at 1.

 

There's always been stupid decks on top.

 

 

Someone please describe me some predicaments and skillfull scenarios that might have happened during TeleDAD format, because as far as I could see, it consistently made Stardust x2 + DAD + Set Solemn + full hand from turn 1. I even had a handful of IRL people saying it was a coing toss format. I even tested a build once and never came out with a hand that could not end up in that setup.

I'd appreciate it a lot.

 

Inzektors are a deck that Konami already powercreeped from a while ago, but somehow I still can't get used to it's existense. It's awful that a deck of "each monster I have can destroy 1 of your cards each turn, and instead of using-up resourses I actually get swarm and search and 2400 ATK beatsticks as a side effect".

To think that something like that doesn't really have banned pieces and is barely considered a rogue deck is amazing.

Now, there are reasons why they don't top, but it's still something sad to me.

 

 

 

To be honest, I thought the game needed a reset button back when Synchros made it easy to spam 3000+ATK beatsticks in multiples, going way over a player's initial life. Surprisingly, Konami found a way to keep powercreeping the game, which was so hard for me to imagine back then that I actually give them kudos for the clever moves they make at times to shift the enviroment of the game.

I'm not so sure the game will slow down that much when the time comes, but looking at the next boosters's cardpools, I hope it does get slower.

 

 

I am the type of player that tries to create decks on a fixed arbitrary level of casual, and even have more fun building decks than playing with them at times. As said above by other people, there is not much room for innovation in this format, if at all. So players like me suffer. To the point were much of what comes out nowadays SHOULD be sounding like lots of fun to me, but compared to top tier is so laughable that it stops looking fun much of the time. 

I'm still waiting for an archetype that is slow, needs no recyclably repetitive search engine to work, can stand it's ground against good decks with control plays without being a lockdown theme, and has flavor. I know you can do it.

 

[/rant?] 

[Althemia]

Someone please describe me some predicaments and skillfull scenarios that might have happened during TeleDAD format, because as far as I could see, it consistently made Stardust x2 + DAD + Set Solemn + full hand from turn 1. I even had a handful of IRL people saying it was a coing toss format. I even tested a build once and never came out with a hand that could not end up in that setup.
I'd appreciate it a lot.

Every card was considered a resource that could go both ways. Using Solemn Judgment correctly was considered skillful because there was so much to negate that picking out the right thing to stop would be considered a skill. There's also the fact that, since the format had triple Judgment, a skillful player would think outside of the box in an attempt to play around the Judgment and win the game. Coin toss format is an incredibly bad analogy of TeleDAD because it honestly was rather skillful.

[Master of Sabers]

From what I've heard, the Dragon Mirror is skill intense, almost at a level of Tele-dad. The first player to "Go Off" loses. Now am I hearing this correctly, or have I been hearing BS? I've never played with E-Drags, but I've never lost to them, (having only played 3 matches against them) sooo.... 

[Lonk]

From what I've heard, the Dragon Mirror is skill intense, almost at a level of Tele-dad. The first player to "Go Off" loses. Now am I hearing this correctly, or have I been hearing BS? I've never played with E-Drags, but I've never lost to them, (having only played 3 matches against them) sooo.... 

 

Those Big Eye wars are all what needs to be said.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

We need agro to make a ban list again, and then Konami to copyright it.

[mido9]

We need agro to make a ban list again, and then Konami to copyright it.

 

How about no?

[Strider Tigerwolf]

How about no?

Why not if I may ask?

[Althemia]

Why not if I may ask?

His banlists nearly gave me cancer. Absolutely dreadful.

From what I've heard, the Dragon Mirror is skill intense, almost at a level of Tele-dad. The first player to "Go Off" loses. Now am I hearing this correctly, or have I been hearing BS? I've never played with E-Drags, but I've never lost to them, (having only played 3 matches against them) sooo.... 

They are. Mainly because you need to know when the right time to explode is and when the right time to conserve is, which can be a very difficult thing to do because reading other Dragon players is pretty off for the first couple of turns.

[Superdoopertrooper]

When will players realize that the skill and speed/power of decks are not intrinsically tied. The upcoming decks from the new sets like Vampires are slower but they sure as hell aren't skillful. The Dragon Ruler mirror is one of the most skill intensive match-ups we've seen in a long time, and none of the new decks will come anywhere close to the level of complexity it bears. A good Dragon Ruler player will wipe the floor with a lesser skilled player 90% or more of the time. There's a large amount of tricks and important knowledge you must learn before even having a chance at winning with them and the deck has a ton of different tech options and ways to play. I'd rather have powerful yet skillful decks like Dragon Rulers in a format than piddly little ones like Vampires. Sure, the deck and format has its flaws, but the game has never been and never will be perfect, and this format we all know is the one in the year which has a raised power ceiling than the other, so suck it up, you'll get your slower meta in a couple of months.

[Canadian]

Honestly, just quit until September, then if things go bad, quit altogether.

I stopped going on DN and only browse YCM now for Zexal updates and the Smash Bros. thread.

[Toffee.]

Newly banned
All 8 Dragon Rulers
Super Rejuvination
Spellbook Judgment Day
Spellbook Tower
Evil Ophion
Evil Azathoth
Black Luster
Left Leg of Exodia

Newly Limited
All 4 Atlantean guys(Pikeman included)
Recurring Nightmare
Big Eye
Dracossack
Jar of Greed
Bottomless Trap Hole
Rai-Oh

Newly Semi-Limited
Double Summon
Mermaid Archer
Mystic Shine Ball
Grand Mole

????????????????

[Miror B]

Those Big Eye wars are all what needs to be said.

Actually by what I've been told, Big Eye is the worst thing to make in the mirror until your opponent makes it.

[Lonk]

Actually by what I've been told, Big Eye is the worst thing to make in the mirror until your opponent makes it.

 

Unless if both players are smart enough to not go Big Eye, then Big Eye wars tend to happen.

[ihop]

Wait, how come nobody has mentioned Frog FTK format? That was definitely, absolutely the worst.

 

You beat me to it :/

 

That format was pretty awful, ridiculius loop OTK Infernities and FrogTK. The Wind-Up, Rabbit and Inzektor format was pretty bad too, not to mention DSF, TeleDAD and Samurai formats. But I think this may be the worst of all purely for broken cards, but not ridiculous combos like the FrogTK and the Wind-Up Loop.

[Eury]

Maybe its cause my rating isn't high enough yet or something, but out of 48 duels on DN, I haven't run into a single Prophecy or Mermail deck, and I've only fought Rulers and lswarm once each. I lost to the ruler and went 1-1 against the lswarm. idunno. 

 

However, I don't think September is going to be anything drastic. Super Rej will most likely be banned and MAYBE the big dragons get semi'd. No point in semi'ing the babies cause people only run them in 2's anyways, unless they limit them. I wouldn't be surprised if Draco is left untouched, but Big Eye will probably be limited. tbh, I don't want Draco touched. Its not fair to the people who play Mechas. Their boss monster being hit for a deck that spams 7's like crazy? No thx.

 

I don't know anything about Mermails so won't talk about them.

 

Spellbooks...I don't really know either. Cause I run Sorcerer. My deck functions differently. :I

 

lswarms. Don't know too much, but I know enough to where Ophion on Kerkyion or whatever its called will probz get hit. 

 

I, personally, haven't had the match ups to hate this meta. I don't mind it atm. Once my rating/exp goes up and I get to the people who actually run those decks, maybe I will. I don't know. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its not a bad format, but it definitely could be worse.

[Lonk]

Maybe its cause my rating isn't high enough yet or something, but out of 48 duels on DN, I haven't run into a single Prophecy or Mermail deck, and I've only fought Rulers and lswarm once each. I lost to the ruler and went 1-1 against the lswarm. idunno. 

 

However, I don't think September is going to be anything drastic. Super Rej will most likely be banned and MAYBE the big dragons get semi'd. No point in semi'ing the babies cause people only run them in 2's anyways, unless they limit them. I wouldn't be surprised if Draco is left untouched, but Big Eye will probably be limited. tbh, I don't want Draco touched. Its not fair to the people who play Mechas. Their boss monster being hit for a deck that spams 7's like crazy? No thx.

 

I don't know anything about Mermails so won't talk about them.

 

Spellbooks...I don't really know either. Cause I run Sorcerer. My deck functions differently. :I

 

lswarms. Don't know too much, but I know enough to where Ophion on Kerkyion or whatever its called will probz get hit. 

 

I, personally, haven't had the match ups to hate this meta. I don't mind it atm. Once my rating/exp goes up and I get to the people who actually run those decks, maybe I will. I don't know. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its not a bad format, but it definitely could be worse.

 

You tend to find more of the top decks the higher your rating is.

[Sunshine Jesse]

I don't even play this game anymore so I don't know how good or bad the format is. I actually loved Dragon Rulers when I played with them, but I'm just not interested in the game anymore.

 

I can't help but think that most of the stigma this format has solely has to do with the power level. The OTKs seem inconsistent and bad, the mirror matches appear skillful, and none of the top decks even seem particularly degenerate in terms of what they do relative to the other top decks. Sure the cards are ludicrously powerful but this seems like one of those formats that's "balanced" out by how ridiculous everything is, like the theory of nuclear deterrence applied to card games.

 

Could someone give me perspective on just how this format is bad? The only real issue I see is that the power level necessitates either a ridiculous power creep or a huge banlist to have smaller decks stand a chance, and overcentralization isn't inherently bad. Of course, I'm just speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't mind one/two deck formats, so if that's the only problem people have than it's just a fundamental difference of opinion.

[evilfusion]

I don't even play this game anymore so I don't know how good or bad the format is. I actually loved Dragon Rulers when I played with them, but I'm just not interested in the game anymore.

 

I can't help but think that most of the stigma this format has solely has to do with the power level. The OTKs seem inconsistent and bad, the mirror matches appear skillful, and none of the top decks even seem particularly degenerate in terms of what they do relative to the other top decks. Sure the cards are ludicrously powerful but this seems like one of those formats that's "balanced" out by how ridiculous everything is, like the theory of nuclear deterrence applied to card games.

 

Could someone give me perspective on just how this format is bad? The only real issue I see is that the power level necessitates either a ridiculous power creep or a huge banlist to have smaller decks stand a chance, and overcentralization isn't inherently bad. Of course, I'm just speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't mind one/two deck formats, so if that's the only problem people have than it's just a fundamental difference of opinion.

 

Dragon Rulers are an awesome concept, but they were poorly designed in how absurdly synergetic they are with each other. And Rank 7s seemed the most powerful because they didnt have a reliable spam engine. Dragon Rulers are almost nothing BUT a Level 7 spamfest, giving access to Big Eye and other extremely good cards.

 

Pretty much, the format is bad because the most dominant Decks get an absurd amount of advantage just by playing their Deck normally. They aren't going out of their way to do these combos, these combos are inherently designed into the archetype. It's like Infernity post TSHD, only less roundabout.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Pretty much, the format is bad because the most dominant Decks get an absurd amount of advantage just by playing their Deck normally. They aren't going out of their way to do these combos, these combos are inherently designed into the archetype. It's like Infernity post TSHD, only less roundabout.

I disagree with that being an inherently bad thing. A lot of the decks I've seen don't do what Infernities do and put 8k on the board with 3 counter traps to negate any hope you have of winning; It's like Fortune Ladies except they can actually do something with the myriad of cards they get. Unlike that format you can still actually play the game if you get bent over on the first turn, although I heard Spellbook of Fate is pretty stupid in that regard.

 

Either way, most of the problems people have with this format seem to be things I fundamentally disagree are bad. I just don't like YGO in general anymore so I can't really enjoy the format.

[evilfusion]

Then it's a case of something that's good for the wrong reasons, or good in theory, but bad in execution.

[RavingSuzerain]

This is the reason why I'm not a competitive player. During the first few Synchro formats, I understood the current top tier decks are always gonna be awful for the game, save for arguably very little exceptions. Goat Format coming to mind, even if half the cards in it were questionable design and nowadays are downright banned and bannable in their own right.

LS OTKd

BWs were so versatile they wouldn't die for multiple formats despite the hits, and would always get new variations.

Frog FTK. You can't even call that "play".

Rescue Cat was all about swarm abuse.

Sacred Phoenix was a Heavy on legs with HUUGE ATK for it's time and immunte to most removal. Back when MST was at 1.

 

There's always been stupid decks on top.

 

 

Someone please describe me some predicaments and skillfull scenarios that might have happened during TeleDAD format, because as far as I could see, it consistently made Stardust x2 + DAD + Set Solemn + full hand from turn 1. I even had a handful of IRL people saying it was a coing toss format. I even tested a build once and never came out with a hand that could not end up in that setup.

I'd appreciate it a lot.

 

Inzektors are a deck that Konami already powercreeped from a while ago, but somehow I still can't get used to it's existense. It's awful that a deck of "each monster I have can destroy 1 of your cards each turn, and instead of using-up resourses I actually get swarm and search and 2400 ATK beatsticks as a side effect".

To think that something like that doesn't really have banned pieces and is barely considered a rogue deck is amazing.

Now, there are reasons why they don't top, but it's still something sad to me.

 

 

 

To be honest, I thought the game needed a reset button back when Synchros made it easy to spam 3000+ATK beatsticks in multiples, going way over a player's initial life. Surprisingly, Konami found a way to keep powercreeping the game, which was so hard for me to imagine back then that I actually give them kudos for the clever moves they make at times to shift the enviroment of the game.

I'm not so sure the game will slow down that much when the time comes, but looking at the next boosters's cardpools, I hope it does get slower.

 

 

I am the type of player that tries to create decks on a fixed arbitrary level of casual, and even have more fun building decks than playing with them at times. As said above by other people, there is not much room for innovation in this format, if at all. So players like me suffer. To the point were much of what comes out nowadays SHOULD be sounding like lots of fun to me, but compared to top tier is so laughable that it stops looking fun much of the time. 

I'm still waiting for an archetype that is slow, needs no recyclably repetitive search engine to work, can stand it's ground against good decks with control plays without being a lockdown theme, and has flavor. I know you can do it.

 

[/rant?] 

 

I got this idea that we should create our own format. Sort of like Legacy from MTG, where you can only use sets a certain number of years old, plus maybe a select set of more modern cards. Another idea I had was to create community made sets that pool all the suggestions Konami can't/won't implement, sort of like reinventing the game as an experiment. That's probably a bad idea, though.

[Toffee.]

absurdly synergetic they are with each other.

Sad thing is, that is literally the ONE thing that makes them so ridiculous.

[evilfusion]

Sad thing is, that is literally the ONE thing that makes them so ridiculous.

 

That's my general observation regarding them. I think they're an awesome concept, but they should have been Attribute specific for their Summons, not Attribute and/or Dragon. That's what gives them their disturbing level of synergy, as banishing other Rulers gets you searches, and combined with the chibi Dragons, you can easily banish a Dragon Ruler to SS a Ruler, then use the banished Ruler to grab a chibi version of that same Ruler, which you then use the effect to grab the adult Ruler. You just thinned your Deck by 2+ cards and Summoned another Level 7 monster for barely any effort whatsoever.

 

If they hadn't included Dragons, they'd be amazing tech options, but not a super-synergetic spam engine.