~British Soul~ Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 lolwikia says ATK is 2501....... Oh for the love of- That's even more ridiculous than Panik's monsters from DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 2501 ATK? Seriously? It makes sense in a disturbingly impractical way. How the hell did Yuma end up with only 1 LP in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 If this card is released, I want: -it to be a CNo -have 2600 -100 or less life -an effect that's worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 If this card is released, I want: -it to be a CNo -have 2600 -100 or less life -an effect that's worth it OR we could not release it, be happy with C39, C39-V, and C39-Victory, plus the inevitable further upgrades because the anime loves Utopia too much, and the ZW support specific to Utopia... C39 already has problems using its effect with 1000 LP or less. Why would we want something that requires 100 LP or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 There's no way this won't get released to fuel Konami's Hope boner. I've accepted that and just 'Hope' for it to be decent. And because challenge accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 I could see the real version ending up as something like: Number S39: Utopia ONE LIGHT/Warrior/4/2500/2000/Effect: 3 LIGHT Level 4 Monsters You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a "Number 39: Utopia" you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials on this card.), it cannot be Summoned by other ways. When this monster is Xyz Summoned, you can reduce your Life Points to 100. You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; banish a monster your opponent controls and inflict 500 damage. You must have 100 or less Life Points to activate and resolve this effect. Other monsters you control cannot attack during the turn this effect is activated. If done something like that, it becomes an all or nothing card. If it gets stopped, you're pretty much screwed. Which I think goes with the theme of having "one hope" sorta like Utopia Ray was a "ray of hope", this is even more desperate. I'm intrigued to see where this goes to say the least. The 2501 attack is hilarious. Manga writers, please never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Here's the thing, everytime Stardust got an upgrade, it was awesome, Hope is just becoming a recycled card whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Here's the thing, everytime Stardust got an upgrade, it was awesome, Hope is just becoming a recycled card whore. Very true. That's because Stardust got a limited number of upgrades that were all amazing in their own way. Stardust/Assault Mode was a better version of Stardust. Majestic Star Dragon is awesome, but impractical because of Majestic Dragon being horrible. Shooting Star Dragon was just one of the best upgrades ever. I'll count Quasar as an upgrade despite not actually being related. Quasar is brokenly awesome IRL, and the way it was Summoned in the anime was ridiculously over the top to the point where it went from stupid all the way around to badass. But Utopia? Firstly, Yuma overuses the damn card. The entire premise of Zexal was that Yuma is collecting the Numbers, which are all Xyz monsters of varying Ranks and therefore he has nearly limitless options available due to actively getting new cards. How many Numbers has he actually used in his Duels? -Utopia (in literally almost all of them) -Leviathan (like 3 times prior to episode 14) There's about a 40 episode gap before he Summons a non-Hope Number following his first Duel with Kaito in episode 14. -Crimson Shadow -Terror-Byte -Volcasaurus -Atlanthal -Black Mist The last 3 were amazing due to NOT using Utopia in that Duel. Then, we look at Utopia's upgrades. He gets Hope Ray. While conditional, it actually suits him fairly well, able to almost single-handledly turn Duels around when he's losing. Which he's doing constantly because he kind of sucks at Dueling. Eventually, we get C39- V, granted by Limited Barian's Force. Badass looking, very powerful, extremely good card. Following plot twist, we get C39-Victory...not as good as V, but not horrible. it's technically an altered version of V, considering Limited Barian's Force transformed into Numeron's Force. So Utopia hasn't been over-upgraded too badly (the time between V and Victory is questionable). But it's obsessive focus on a card we're already sick of him obsessively focusing on when the basic premise is collecting a wide variety of Numbers. To make it even more insulting, Gagagas focus on altering their Levels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 this new utopia sucks nuff sed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Very true. That's because Stardust got a limited number of upgrades that were all amazing in their own way. Stardust/Assault Mode was a better version of Stardust. Majestic Star Dragon is awesome, but impractical because of Majestic Dragon being horrible. Shooting Star Dragon was just one of the best upgrades ever. I'll count Quasar as an upgrade despite not actually being related. Quasar is brokenly awesome IRL, and the way it was Summoned in the anime was ridiculously over the top to the point where it went from stupid all the way around to badass. But Utopia? Firstly, Yuma overuses the damn card. The entire premise of Zexal was that Yuma is collecting the Numbers, which are all Xyz monsters of varying Ranks and therefore he has nearly limitless options available due to actively getting new cards. How many Numbers has he actually used in his Duels? -Utopia (in literally almost all of them) -Leviathan (like 3 times prior to episode 14) There's about a 40 episode gap before he Summons a non-Hope Number following his first Duel with Kaito in episode 14. -Crimson Shadow -Terror-Byte -Volcasaurus -Atlanthal -Black Mist The last 3 were amazing due to NOT using Utopia in that Duel. Then, we look at Utopia's upgrades. He gets Hope Ray. While conditional, it actually suits him fairly well, able to almost single-handledly turn Duels around when he's losing. Which he's doing constantly because he kind of sucks at Dueling. Eventually, we get C39- V, granted by Limited Barian's Force. Badass looking, very powerful, extremely good card. Following plot twist, we get C39-Victory...not as good as V, but not horrible. it's technically an altered version of V, considering Limited Barian's Force transformed into Numeron's Force. So Utopia hasn't been over-upgraded too badly (the time between V and Victory is questionable). But it's obsessive focus on a card we're already sick of him obsessively focusing on when the basic premise is collecting a wide variety of Numbers. To make it even more insulting, Gagagas focus on altering their Levels! If you count the manga, he's used Black Corn twice, and Fran Ken once. That's still 9 out of 59. FIFTY NINE and he's only ever used NINE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Such a shame, without the 1 LP condition, I would definitely consider running it, if it came out. It's pretty much the only generic rank 4 that can remove monsters from play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I didn't read that chapter in the manga, but I just have a feeling that if Yuma tried, he could have won using some other Number. This obsession with Hope is disturbing, and they even tried to justify that obsession in his last duel vs Dark Mist when Dark Mist questioned why he picked Hope over Coat of Arms or Heart-eartH Dragon (not being able to Special Summon the latter two notwithstanding). BTW, according to NeoArk and the Wikia, S39 actually burns for the combined ATK of the banished monsters, not strictly 500 for each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 If you count the manga, he's used Black Corn twice, and Fran Ken once. That's still 9 out of 59. FIFTY NINE and he's only ever used NINE. I'd still be okay with him not using half of them, due to either being impractical to use/Summon, or being dangerous to wield. Oh wait, he used Atlanthal, that excuse is gone. Numbers like Number 20 has no use over Number 17, for example, since the anime only boosts itself by 300, and Leviathan does itself by 500, plus has higher starting ATK. Number 19 is awful compared to Volcasaurus, Machu Mech, or Crimson Shadow. But that illustrates my point still: Yuma has the capability of Summoning Numbers to suit almost any situation. Which ones does he use? Just Utopia. It got a little painful against Black Mist, granted that Astral took over the Duel, but chose to revive Utopia with Number Return, when Coat of Arms and Heart-eartH Dragon were options. Plot devices notwithstanding, Coat of Arms would have been unimaginably powerful to Summon at that moment. It would negate and steal the effects of C96, C69, and C92. ALL AT ONCE. And it'd have 2 Overlay Units from Number Return. Although I could see the anime actually considering "Chaos Overlay Units" to be genuinely different from "Overlay Units", thus making Coat of Arms significantly less powerful. Now this upgrade is just ridiculously impractical, and releasing it IRL is pointless because we have C39, V, and Victory. That's plenty of upgrades.I didn't read that chapter in the manga, but I just have a feeling that if Yuma tried, he could have won using some other Number. This obsession with Hope is disturbing, and they even tried to justify that obsession in his last duel vs Dark Mist when Dark Mist questioned why he picked Hope over Coat of Arms or Heart-eartH Dragon (not being able to Special Summon the latter two notwithstanding). BTW, according to NeoArk and the Wikia, S39 actually burns for the combined ATK of the banished monsters, not strictly 500 for each. My hunch was Chaos Field would have treated them as an Xyz Summon, making them legal to revive. Also, anime twists that rule sometimes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Actually evil, the written card lores in the nime all say "Xyz Material", and Overlay Unit is a dialogue-only term. However, since the CNos need to have been Ranked Up to use their effects, all Coat of Arms could do was wipe them. Chaos Field also doesn't say it treats it as an Xyz Summon, when RUMs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I lost it at 1 Life Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Interesting. Maybe "Chaos Overlay Units" just refer to Overlay Units attached to an Xyz that was Ranked-Up, as C39 and C32 use traditional Overlay Units, but all the CXyz and Chaos Numbers created with Rank-Up Magic use the Chaos Overlays. I wouldn't be too concerned with Coat of Arms using the "when Ranked-Up" effects as much as removing them from the opponent's monsters. Of course, Zexal power seems to only work with Utopia, so plot device draws from Xyz Treasure are plot device draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Two things: 1. Evilfusion, I hope you realized that you used "over the top" to describe the summoning condition of a monster summoned using Over Top Clear Mind. 2. This makes complete sense to me as far as the theme goes for Yuma pulling back from near defeat. It's extremely impractical, but fitting. It having 2501 ATK even makes sense. I personally don't think it will ever be released, but if it did, that would be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Well, all but one Evil - C39-Victory uses traditional ones as well, so it seems to be ones created from Varian/Chaos power. It's simply a visual accent to set them apart, hence why the CORUs used by Chaos Xyz and Chaos Numbers don't look alike. In that situation, being able to use Dark Storm's effect would have meant attacking over Chaos of Arms for 6800 damage, then regaining 6800 Life due to Heart-eartH Chaos Dragon's effect. Then again, using Coat of Arms and its rage power for any length of time might have gven us oil-stain Astral. Not that I mind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I just thought of something. Why is it called Utopia ONE? Is there going to be more dumb upgrades like this? Also, maybe the last part is because Yuma now has 13 and 31....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I just thought of something. Why is it called Utopia ONE? Is there going to be more dumb upgrades like this? Also, maybe the last part is because Yuma now has 13 and 31....... Oh god, lets not go into why this card is called ONE shall we, it'll end up exactly like what "V" means for Utopia Ray V... But you know, Konami fudged that up pretty bad, (also by calling the starter deck V for Victory when we already have a Utopia Victory, seriously) I wish V was called B. At least then it'll make more sense. ONE is just probably cause Yuma has one life point left or something. Utopia is a fucked up archetype as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I just thought of something. Why is it called Utopia ONE? Is there going to be more dumb upgrades like this? Also, maybe the last part is because Yuma now has 13 and 31....... I would have thought it's pretty obvious why it's called ONE. It's based on the concept of singularity. You must have 1 lifepoint, it gains 1 ATK over Utopia, and it attempts to make itself the only one (though this would make more sense if it banished all monsters and not just your opponent's. Which it actually may?) EDIT: Also, this is what the wiki says for its text... 3 Level 4 monsters Cannot be destroyed by battle except with "Number" monsters. You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a "Number 39: Utopia" you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials on this card.) Once per turn: You can detach 3 Xyz Materials from this card and have your Life Points become 1; banish all monsters your opponent controls, and if you do, inflict damage to your opponent equal to the combined ATK of the banished monsters. As-is, that is broken to hell and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Well that's a complete 180 in terms of its usefulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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